[Football] Tinkering stats

[vagabond]

I think the tinkering is a necessity as it helps him find the best formations.
eg:
Lets try Sanchez and rest Ryan..... result..... we have a keeper that comes for crosses, stands big when players are through on him and IMHO, looks the best young keeper in the division.
Lets stop playing Webster on the left of Dunky, play Webster on the right and Dunky on the left.....result.... Webbie is looking twice the player he was 6 weeks ago, and Dunky is refinding the form he displayed when he used to play on the left of Duffy.
Lets play MacAllister further forward.... result..... the last two games he has looked superb and IMHO was MOM both times .
He is still working out his best formations, but bring Bissuma, Lamptey, Welbeck, Lalana and possibly a left wing back and suddenly it is giving us hope that the tinkering has payed off

Great point. If people are going to criticise the manager for “tinkering” then he equally deserves credit when it works.

 

[neilbard]

I think the tinkering is a necessity as it helps him find the best formations.
eg:
Lets try Sanchez and rest Ryan..... result..... we have a keeper that comes for crosses, stands big when players are through on him and IMHO, looks the best young keeper in the division.
Lets stop playing Webster on the left of Dunky, play Webster on the right and Dunky on the left.....result.... Webbie is looking twice the player he was 6 weeks ago, and Dunky is refinding the form he displayed when he used to play on the left of Duffy.
Lets play MacAllister further forward.... result..... the last two games he has looked superb and IMHO was MOM both times .
He is still working out his best formations, but bring Bissuma, Lamptey, Welbeck, Lalana and possibly a left wing back and suddenly it is giving us hope that the tinkering has payed off

32% of NSC rate him the best current English manager, although he is still unsure what his best formation is after 55 Premier League games,

also he has failed to win a single home league game this season.

He may well prove me and a few others wrong but this is a results based business and one win against Leeds doesn't make him a football genius.

I concede that we are not halfway through the season yet, so we still have it all to play for, here's hoping for few home wins to add to the 3 aways.

 

[Change at Barnham]

...and of the seven sides who are tinkered with more than us, there's been a fair bit of Covid-enforced shuffling going on.

We've also probably had a fair amount of Covid changes forced upon us due to players needing to isolate. It's just that our club are more confidential than most.

I think Mac Allister and Connolly have missed games due to Covid and they're just the ones we know about. I wouldn't be surprised if Alzate also probably needed to isolate on his return from Colombia.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

This is a prime example of Stats not proving a point.
Potter wants a squad of players comfortably playing multiple positions from game to game and within a game.
Tinkering is pretty much what he does all the time. Ideally he wants more options to tinker, not less.

In the Premier League all clubs will have analysts dissecting the oppositions strengths and weaknesses.
Having a manager capable of fielding a starting 11 that even the most ardent Brighton fans are unable to pick, gives us a slight edge.

It's a differentiator for us.
Long may it continue.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Before you jump all over it, Stasi like, just have a think about the meaning of that stat. It certainly tells us some of the story, but does not capture the tinkering of players being used in multiple positions. A good example would be Ben White. A fair bit of the tinkering criticism has been about playing him in three different positions.

Yes, a good example is Ben White. A superb CB and superb midfielder, played wide on right once and once only as it didn’t work. Where’s the issue here?

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

Dunk, Bissouma and Lamptey have between them missed 8 matches through suspension.

 

[AmexRuislip]

looking toward the latter half of the season, when fatigue and suspensions can start to play a part, ( and injuries obvs) the fact we have a squad of PL players rather than a team and some subs can only be a good thing, outside the top 6-8 there aren't that many clubs that boast that, I don't think.

Even with all the tinkering, its great that we have a sort of 'strength in depth' now (when all on the injury list come back), to give GP a selection problem.

 

[vagabond]

This is a prime example of Stats not proving a point.
Potter wants a squad of players comfortably playing multiple positions from game to game and within a game.
Tinkering is pretty much what he does all the time. Ideally he wants more options to tinker, not less.

In the Premier League all clubs will have analysts dissecting the oppositions strengths and weaknesses.
Having a manager capable of fielding a starting 11 that even the most ardent Brighton fans are unable to pick, gives us a slight edge.

It's a differentiator for us.
Long may it continue.

It’s certainly a critique I see here often “he doesn’t even know his own best 11”.

It’s old school thinking, and you’re so right here U. This is proof we have a forward thinking manager, capable of thinking outside the box. As long as his systems and tactics are understood by the players I don’t see the problem.

None of us expected Biss to not be in the line up at Leeds. I think we were all grumbling about Gross starting ahead of him. But it turned out to be inspired. The strategy worked beautifully.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Always thought it’s a bit of a meme, a myth that he tinkers too much. Good to see some actual facts.

Come now. TinPotter is statistically the worst manager in the history of football, and if the Blues are not to stay forever Moody, he must

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2L3UzM_FfE

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Yes, a good example is Ben White. A superb CB and superb midfielder, played wide on right once and once only as it didn’t work. Where’s the issue here?

Prior to Saturday he wasn’t being described as a superb midfielder. The feeling has been that playing him in that position has been to the detriment of his performances and occasional positional lapses at CB. Whether or not that proves to be the case it is undeniably tinkering (for better or for worse).

 

[Billy the Fish]

OR I genuinely believe Potter is a talented young manager who is building something special.

Sorry if believing that offends you in some way.

Your fanaticism about Potter is more akin to ISIS believing in Allah than it is to Ethel who believes in God and goes to church on Sundays!

Get on the match thread and attack the infidels!

 

[Icy Gull]

Excellent, we can put this away now then?

 

[vagabond]

Your fanaticism about Potter is more akin to ISIS believing in Allah than it is to Ethel who believes in God and goes to church on Sundays!

Get on the match thread and attack the infidels!

So you believe Potter should be sacked?

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

I am a huge Potter in fan, but I would temper this stat with a note of caution. This blended number could hide a great deal of squad rotation (which has been unarguable this season). Some has been forced on Potter, some is his choice. We know he assembles his team based on how to exploit the weaknesses, and counter the strengths, of the opposition, so there will never be a time when he plays his "best XI" week in week out. There is no best XI because we need different attributes depending on who we're playing*.

* My gut feel is that we do rotate too much even so, but my gut feel will be based on old thinking from the past 40 years watching football, not on the new thinking GP is using.

 

[neilbard]

Potter Managerial statistics

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

"Tinkering" is also a pretty perjorative word.

What we are actually discussing is probably a combination of rotation (some enforced), positional fluidity with certain players and tactical changes.

 

[Icy Gull]

Potter Managerial statistics

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Bugger, he’s getting worse isn’t he?

I love stats as they are often incredibly misleading. I don’t pay much attention though, same for XG

 

[Billy the Fish]

So you believe Potter should be sacked?

As I said on the other thread I'm happy to give Potter another reprieve like I did after our two good performances against Liverpool and Villa.

If history repeats itself and we turn in another month of abject performances like we did last time then he should absolutely be sacked.

 

[The Large One]

Before you jump all over it, Stasi like, just have a think about the meaning of that stat. It certainly tells us some of the story, but does not capture the tinkering of players being used in multiple positions. A good example would be Ben White. A fair bit of the tinkering criticism has been about playing him in three different positions.

A point of view that doesn't hold any water, and is utterly meaningless.

Fancy criticising a manager for utilising a player who plays well in three different positions.

 

[vagabond]

Prior to Saturday he wasn’t being described as a superb midfielder. The feeling has been that playing him in that position has been to the detriment of his performances and occasional positional lapses at CB. Whether or not that proves to be the case it is undeniably tinkering (for better or for worse).

And Ben White was magnificent on Saturday. Arguably his most influential game of the season.

So surely you have to credit the manager for playing him there? Come on.