[Football] Time to leave FIFA and start up & alternative governing body ?

[Insel affe]

Is it time to leave FIFA and start up an alternative governing body for football, I would suspect there could be support from certain nations like us and the USA.
Who else would be interested I wonder, everybody can see that FIFA is corrupt from top to bottom. Gianni Infantino says ‘I feel Qatari, I feel African, I feel gay, I feel disabled’
this man is going to be re elected unopposed !!

There is no progressive move from within this organisation, time for a change

• Long running FBI investigation into bribery and corruption
• The 47-count indictment against individuals includes charges of racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering conspiracies spanning two decades.
• Beginning in 1991 two generations of soccer officials, including the then-presidents of two regional soccer confederations under FIFA, used their positions to solicit bribes from sports marketers in exchange for commercial rights to their tournaments.
• FIFA executives and others corrupted the bidding process for the 2010 World Cup by using bribes to influence the hosting decision.
• The indictment also alleges that corruption and bribery extended to the 2011 presidential FIFA election, 2016 Copa America and to agreements regarding sponsorship of the Brazilian national soccer team by a major US sportswear company.
• Indictment also alleges that Jack Warner, serving as CONCACAF president, made more than $10m in bribes.

 

[Springal]

a number of FAs just got scared about wearing an armband. You really think any would walk from FIFA. You’ve seen what happened with the ESL.

Be interesting to see how many FAs even publicly state they wont vote for Infantino for the next term.

 

[Boroseagull]

Short answer yes, but you have to ask yourself why the enforcement agencies are taking such a time to bring charges. But it's time for change certainly.

 

[Hotchilidog]

The discussion at least needs to begin. The question has to be asked, who do FIFA serve? It does not appear that they serve the game any more, they serve themselves.

 

[chickens]

Far easier said than done. The current arrangement is highly unsatisfactory, but I suspect unentangling us from FIFA would be highly expensive, time consuming and litigious. I think we should, but I fear international football would be in limbo for years. That’s actually a win/win in my book.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

IF Brazil and Argentina joined England, Germany, France and Italy in leaving then it might take off.

Need the South Americans on board....

 

[Brovion]

a number of FAs just got scared about wearing an armband. You really think any would walk from FIFA. You’ve seen what happened with the ESL.

Be interesting to see how many FAs even publicly state they wont vote for Infantino for the next term.

Exactly. I'm writing this after the news about the armband 'ban' but before the Iran game. I may (sincerely hope to) be proved wrong, but I'm guessing our servile FA will comply with FIFA's Rules and Regulations. If they're not prepared to risk one tiny act of much-discussed rebellion then the chances of them withdrawing from FIFA and working on setting up a rival organisation are less than zero.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Could start by giving the the 2030 World Cup to Uruguay (100 years since the first one which took place there)

 

[fly high]

Either a new governing body or a complete clear out of existing crooks. When Infantino was first nominated suggestions he was not a lot different to Blatter but got the job anyway. Even if a complete new body set up there is so much money swirling around football it's no guarantee some will be on the take.

 

[Insel affe]

FIFA should not be a money making organisation anyway, any money made should be put back into grass roots and developing football for children, women, disabled folk, there should be no profit, what so ever, that should eliminate any curroption, sure pay them well, I get that, but NO PROFIT.

FOOTBALL FOR ALL...
NOT PROFIT FOR THE FEW....

Time to throw off religious and racial shackles, exclusiveness for all.
sign up to that or your not welcome, to join, just piss off.

Maybe I am wrong, but that is how it should be, in my mind anyway.

 

[5Ways Gull]

I just posted in the "who's not watching..." thread that the Dutch are talking about reviewing their relationship with FIFA following today's events.

 

[beorhthelm]

the question is who does FIFA serve, and when you answer that, do they see a problem? it may be that the countries FIFA benefits are quite content, and so it carries on, as it does.

i've long given up wondering where all the money goes from the world cup, because its in plain sight. all the various poorer nations and many, many officials along the way. a new association will have to limit its membership or structures to limit the same problems occuring.

 

[sparkie]

Probably time to break away, but England can't do it on their own.

They need a few secret, behind closed doors, plot hatching meetings first.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Get Greg Norman on the case...

 

[GT49er]

Leave FIFA? Fine by me. International football disrupted and in chaos for a few years? No problem.

Personally I'd have loved to have seen what happened if the seven countries that wanted to wear the armband that would have devastated poor distraught Qataris had turned round to FIFA and said 'no One Love armbands and we're off home. One yellow card and that's your tournament in chaos and disarray. Take it or leave it'.

 

[Zeberdi]

everybody can see that FIFA is corrupt from top to bottom. Gianni Infantino says ‘I feel Qatari, I feel African, I feel gay, I feel disabled’
this man is going to be re elected unopposed !!

In addition to the list in the o.p - how about FIFA not abiding by their own code of mission conduct for Human Rights and specific mechanism they have put in place to protect the rights recognised in Human Rights legislation around the World?

FIFA launches complaints mechanism for human rights defenders and journalists

Today, FIFA launched a complaints mechanism for human rights defenders and media representatives who consider their rights to have been violated while performing work related to FIFA’s activities (see here). The mechanism is complemented by a detaile...

www.fifa.com

Freedom of expression is a human right.

As I noted on the Day Two thread, footballers‘ right to wear rainbow armbands comes under Article 10 ’freedom of expression’ enshrined in the ECHR (to which we have now ratified into the Human Rights Act 2000.).

“Freedom of expression (as per the HRA 2000)​

1Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

2The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.”

Properly managed and organised and in line with Qatar’s pledge to respect the human rights of visitors, I cant see any justification for having freedom of expression curtailed (as outlined in section 2) to the extent a rainbow armband should attract sanctions by FIFA:

Human Rights Act 1998

An Act to give further effect to rights and freedoms guaranteed under the European Convention on Human Rights; to make provision with respect to holders of certain judicial offices who become judges of the European Court of Human Rights; and for connected purposes.

www.legislation.gov.uk

The armband expresses a belief by the wearer that people should not be discriminated against on the basis of sexuality - footballers and officials should be allowed to express this sentiment without fear of reprisal.

It’s insidious that FIFA is engaged in active ‘humanrights washing’ through the use of their Human Rights Mechanism that includes FIFA’s own ethos “This work is a reflection of FIFA’s conviction that all those who advocate for human rights to be upheld in relation to FIFA’s activities need to be able to do so freely and without fear of reprisals.”

What is threatening those that wear armbands with yellow cards if not threatening a reprisal?

 

[Eeyore]

Could start by giving the the 2030 World Cup to Uruguay (100 years since the first one which took place there)

Good thought, but I guess they might need other countries to co-host.

 

[GT49er]

Could start by giving the the 2030 World Cup to Uruguay (100 years since the first one which took place there)

Ooh goodie! - in that case can we put our towels on the sun-loungers for the 2066 one then??

 

[WATFORD zero]

It's always pissed me off that England don't call FIFA and UEFA's bluff.

England teams getting racially abused around Eastern Europe ? Take the team off the pitch and force these spineless twats to do something. They'll obviously do the stupid thing, line up behind the racists and ban England and deduct points. GOOD let the f***ers show their true colours.

Ban the rainbow armband ? Go out in Rainbow shirts and make the same stupid corrupt ****ers make a decision (we all know it will be the wrong one, but it will force the siuation).

It really annoys me that we always back down. Let's show some balls, make a stand and call the ****ers out. We used to lead the world in things

And relax ................. thought Bellingham did well today

 

[1066familyman]

FIFA should not be a money making organisation anyway, any money made should be put back into grass roots and developing football for children, women, disabled folk, there should be no profit, what so ever, that should eliminate any curroption, sure pay them well, I get that, but NO PROFIT.

FOOTBALL FOR ALL...
NOT PROFIT FOR THE FEW....

Time to throw off religious and racial shackles, exclusiveness for all.
sign up to that or your not welcome, to join, just piss off.

Maybe I am wrong, but that is how it should be, in my mind anyway.

And you think us and the USA are the nations to lead us to this promised land.

Someone's not been paying attention