Time to abolish single faith schools

[brightn'ove]

yes. keep religion out of education, also removing RE and replacing with Philosophy lessons

I actually agree, although I would combine RE and Philosophy. Removing religious education altogether will only increase ignorance.

 

[BNthree]

My kids go to CofE school and have Catholic, Muslim, Jewish and atheist classmates. Plenty of integration going on.

 

[Biscuit]

Choice is a side issue. Religion has about as much to do with education as a cheeseburger. Why some schools identify as CofE or any other religion is beyond me - it has no place in politics either.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It's such a popular and successful school there is a waiting list. They still got in. People having favourable opportunities is life, it happens in all spheres, including the work place.

There is no denying not every child can go to their first or even second or third choice school, but they should have equal opportunity for their chance.

The performance of faith schools is actually a bit of a myth that is clouded by looking at results only. Faith schools in general take less kids from disadvantaged backgrounds, ethnic minorities etc.. If you look at academic progress based upon the progress pupils make from their start point, then it shows that faith schools are not out performing other schools in the progress each pupil makes. In short their results across the board will always look better based upon their admissions, but that doesn't mean they are better teaching establishments or offer more academic success than other schools.

 

[Buzzer]

However. you have not provided a response as to why you believe that the state should offer single faith schools.

There's certainly an argument for removing state funding from faith schools but as long as this exists and parents have a choice then I'll send my children where I like. The State provides funding for lots of things that few of us use and many of us disagree with and if it becomes a big enough issue then Parliament will no doubt address that but I don't see an issue with the current set up (as long as there is choice). If they change it then que sera. The debate was whether there should be faith schools per se though rather than how they were funded.

 

[Buzzer]

Tough titty does seem to be an ideology for many unfortunately.

Do you believe faith schools are better? I haven't suggested closing them in anything I have said so far, all I've questioned is their ability to set their own admissions criteria.

Then we're going round in circles here. If I've got it right, even if there are two schools very similar and one has no admissions policy and the other does because of a stated ethos, you want the right to send your child to the one with an admissions policy but demand the right not to have to meet their criteria. That doesn't seem to me to be anything else than a decision made because of bloody-mindedness rather than anything else.

You're making problems where there really are none.

 

[JCL666]

Can't see why in the UK there is any point in "faith schools", they mostly came about when religious groups pioneered public education.

I don't think the state should provide funding to any schools that determine their own selection criteria, such as Newman in Brighton.

 

[beorhthelm]

I actually agree, although I would combine RE and Philosophy.

yes, thats the inference. religion is essentially a set of philosophical points. its a failing of our education that we learn of half a dozen religions, leaders and practices, yet nothing about Plato, Confucius, Descartes, Smith, Marx, Russell or Sartre.

 

[mac04]

yes. keep religion out of education, also removing RE and replacing with Philosophy lessons

My kids secondary school has replaced RE with "Faith, Philosophy & Thinking", and they only have to do it for the first 2 years.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I went to Newman, I dont believe it hindered my ability to meet and intergrate with people as a child or an adult, Living in Brighton mainly did that.

Why do you want to abolish choice? My grandchildren are not Catholic, but do go to a Catholic school. Therefore they are integrating with different beliefs.

My wife works at a Catholic school, which has many children from different faiths, including Jews, Muslims, and Buddhist. The parents are happy to send them to a school that promotes faith, even if it isn't the main faith of the family. They integrate which each other just just fine. I can't comment on other cultures schools and if they would be so supportive of other faiths being discussed in the school.

Mine went to a Catholic primary school. There were 10 nationalities in my younger lad's class, and plenty of non-Catholics.

Don't assume too much about faith schools. They rarely ARE 'single-faith'.

These (and probably others).

 

[The Kid Frankie]

Religion has no place in our education system in my opinion.

Except of course in RE lessons, where they should get in a Rabbi, Clergyman, Imam etc to explain their beliefs and practices. I will then happily visit the class myself and explain why they are all talking a load of bollocks. For free.

 

[Triggaaar]

Single faith schools do not promote integration, hinder Children from mixing with Children from different faiths, different religions and different cultures. When I was at School we all got along and made friends with Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and Christians alike. We played together, ate together and shared class rooms with each other. We even went to each other's homes. If we want our Children to grow up living side by side in some kind of peaceful existence, then I honestly believe that single faith schools need to be abolished. There is no need for them. What good do they do? Children need to socialise and integrate.

Sounds good to me.

My children went to a CoE and I was very happy with the schooling they received. It's my choice and my right as their parent, not yours, on how they are schooled.

Did that CoE school only allow Christians in? My kids go to a CoE, but children of all faiths go, as well as atheists.

My wife works at a Catholic school, which has many children from different faiths, including Jews, Muslims, and Buddhist. The parents are happy to send them to a school that promotes faith, even if it isn't the main faith of the family. They integrate which each other just just fine.

Sounds good. It also sounds like it's not a single faith school.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Single faith schools do not promote integration, hinder Children from mixing with Children from different faiths, different religions and different cultures. When I was at School we all got along and made friends with Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and Christians alike. We played together, ate together and shared class rooms with each other. We even went to each other's homes. If we want our Children to grow up living side by side in some kind of peaceful existence, then I honestly believe that single faith schools need to be abolished. There is no need for them. What good do they do? Children need to socialise and integrate.

so do their parents
regards
DR

 

[The Large One]

Religion has no place in our education system in my opinion.

Except of course in RE lessons, where they should get in a Rabbi, Clergyman, Imam etc to explain their beliefs and practices. I will then happily visit the class myself and explain why they are all talking a load of bollocks. For free.

Maybe. But all the while there are religious faiths, it's more prudent to be told about who believes what and why. It's better to have an appreciation of the next person's belief system (even if you do think it's bollocks) than to live in total ignorance of it. To be in ignorance of it only ever breeds hatred.

Put it this way, there are still some people out there who think Islam has no place in the UK. If that was the case, for the very same reason, nor does Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and football.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Answering the above, Why should we have schools that only admit Pupils from one faith? Why are they necessary? We have to get Muslims, Christians, Jews etc mixing. Do we really want our Children to grow up segregated and not understanding other religions and cultures. Teach them from a young age that they can get on with each other. I'm sure that we all realise that there are sadly Parents, Teachers and Religious leaders who will tell Children that they cannot mix with others because of their religion, faith, culture and colour of skin. The point I'm trying to make is that we need to look at all ways to bring about peace, love and understanding.

Newman is a catholic school but not single faith. I think people need to understand that not all 'religious' schools are about drilling into the kids that one particular god is better than another and more importantly they are not pushing the kids to kill for their faith.

 

[goldstone]

Single faith schools do not promote integration, hinder Children from mixing with Children from different faiths, different religions and different cultures. When I was at School we all got along and made friends with Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and Christians alike. We played together, ate together and shared class rooms with each other. We even went to each other's homes. If we want our Children to grow up living side by side in some kind of peaceful existence, then I honestly believe that single faith schools need to be abolished. There is no need for them. What good do they do? Children need to socialise and integrate.

Agree 100%. Education and religion should be kept apart except for the teaching of basic information about ALL religions at all schools. Separate Catholic and Protestant schools were a cause of the problems in Northern Ireland.

 

[Insel affe]

Religious faith should have no part in our education system. If parents want their children to have a faith then it should be taught by them not the schools.

That could actually be more dangerous, have you meet some parents ?

Never mind the ones with political or religious bias,

Jebus....

At least the schools should adhere to rules about what they can teach

 

[nicko31]

I'd have the C of E school shut down I went to, it was so bad

 

[Triggaaar]

Maybe. But all the while there are religious faiths, it's more prudent to be told about who believes what and why. It's better to have an appreciation of the next person's belief system (even if you do think it's bollocks) than to live in total ignorance of it.

That's what he said. He said to have RE lessons, with preachers from each faith to explain their belief, and an atheist to explain the truth.

Put it this way, there are still some people out there who think Islam has no place in the UK. If that was the case, for the very same reason, nor does Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and football.

I don't get the joke?

 

[Triggaaar]

I'd have the C of E school shut down I went to, it was so bad

I'd shut down the schools that half the NSC members went to.