- Oct 17, 2008
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Yes, it’s a bloody disgrace and I’m currently smashing up a Wetherspoons in protest.
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[Technology] Tik Tok RIP
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Dave the OAP
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Why am I not surprised
- Oct 17, 2008
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Very poor quality.
Dave the OAP
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Yes your posts tend to be that.
thanks for clearing that up.
any chance of finding some links on the internet to back your statement up
- Oct 17, 2008
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Dave the OAP
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sussex_guy2k2
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- Jun 6, 2014
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You mistake me. I’m not disagreeing with anything you’re saying in terms of the impact it can have on children or on society. Part of my job is insight over such channels. And I know the impact this is having on children in schools etc as I have friends still in teaching. So I get it.Nobody is arguing that lack of parental oversight isn’t an issue, but it is simply a fact of life that children are exposed to harmful content at a very young age, due to peer pressure to have a smart phone, and build friendships outside of school using apps - the main one being TikTok.
- nine in 10 children own a mobile phone by the time they reach the age of 11.
- three-quarters of social media users aged between eight and 17 have their own account or profile on at least one of the large platforms.
- despite most platforms having a minimum age of 13, six in 10 children aged 8 to 12 who use them are signed up with their own profile.
- almost three-quarters of teenagers between age 13 and 17 have encountered one or more potential harms online.
Specifically regards to TikTok;
Leading social media apps children UK 2023 | Statista
According to a 2023 study, 50 percent of kids in the United Kingdom used TikTok, making the short-video sharing platform the most popular social media among users aged between four and 18 years.www.statista.com
According to a 2023 study, 50 percent of kids in the United Kingdom used TikTok, making the short-video sharing platform the most popular social media among users aged between four and 18 years. X (formerly known as Twitter) followed with a reach of 43 percent, while Facebook ranked third with a 40 percent audience reach.
Given TikTok’s constant reprimands over their slow content moderation, thousands of child exploitation and abuse cases stemming from contact via TikTok, Ofcom’s difficulty in getting TikTok to properly enforce age restrictions (despite Prof. Jay’s recommendations and the Online Safety Act) have all played a part.
But as I say, the wider effect on basic respect and human decency is, in my view, being eroded by the likes of TikTok where everyone is encouraged to be self-centred attention seekers, putting themselves and others in dangerous situations on a constant basis in the search of a viral moment.
It’s the worst thing to happen to the internet since Twitter.
But it’s like porn. The moment you become a nanny state and start telling people what they can and cannot do in relation to such things, and you stop some peoples’ sources of income, you’re on a really slippery slope. And the impact porn’s had on many men over the years is well documented, yet no one seems to be calling for that to be removed from the internet.
The better way to deal with this is through education of the impacts of social media. You can’t just ban it. All that’ll happen is something else will replace it and you end up in a vicious cycle. Unfortunately, education is difficult, particularly with the peer pressure involved.
Of course the use of private data is another question, but most people have given their data away so often that we’re almost past the point of no return at this stage, no matter what people try to tell you. For example, in the US, they don’t have any comparative laws in the way we do with GDPR, so US companies can essentially pull and utilise your data to their heart’s content.
So whilst I agree with the sentiment of what you’re saying, and how it’s eroded much of the British lifestyle, it’s not going to go away. And the moment you allow a government to become that nanny state with such platforms, you’re in an even more dangerous position.
brightn'ove
cringe
Pretty much everything you just said applies to Facebook, instagram and twitter as well. The only difference there is it is the yanks stealing and using your data.
Greg Bobkin
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- May 22, 2012
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I don't use TikTok – I've seen stuff from it and maybe glanced at stuff on there a handful of times. From what I've heard from the Bobkin Jnrs, there's some really interesting and useful stuff on there. However, that's not to say that there is a LOAD of useless (in some people's opinions) stuff on there too, but it's clearly not ALL bad.
Is it right that it should be banned? Who knows? I'm certainly not qualified enough to have an opinion on it, but I think it would be a shame for the people who do get something positive out of it
Is it right that it should be banned? Who knows? I'm certainly not qualified enough to have an opinion on it, but I think it would be a shame for the people who do get something positive out of it
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,127
the whole issue from TikTok to Huawei, was about China data gathering is bad, US data gathering is OK. and underlying that, they dont really care about the data (because we're not nearly as valuable or interesting as individuals think) it's about a non-US company doing better. its simply commercial protectionism.
Unless you use a VPN then even @Bozza has access to your IP. It doesn't mean he has access to your data. If you're that worried just don't use the platform .... simples. If the Chinese want to know I have sleep apnoea then good luck to them.
NorthstandRacoon
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Good riddance. Load of absolute shite. Would like to see sweeping changes to social media platforms anyway. NSC is the only one I use for debate as it's sensible and the majority on here are educated, despite differing viewpoints across the board. And we all agree when someone tries to share 'fake' news and it's shouted down.I might have to do some work if the ban comes in here:
TikTok goes offline in the US hours before ban comes in - BBC News
A message appearing for US users said a law banning TikTok had been enacted, meaning "you can't use TikTok for now".www.bbc.co.uk
I'm currently part of a team for an electronic music event centred around fitness, and we get some Instagram 'influencers' turn up. It promotes our event, which is great, however we had one recently be all nice to us and then behind our backs smear the event. It's all FAKE. Glad I/my close circle can see through it, I wish the majority of others would.
Anyway, 3 points today please.
Damn, just when I thought I might sign up to the endless jolly japes.
OzMike
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Never ever been on Facebook, Twitter/X or Tik Tok in my life.
I don't feel that my life has been any less enriched as a result, I just can't be arsed.
I don't feel that my life has been any less enriched as a result, I just can't be arsed.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
Pretty sure society is all connected.
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
What do they actually use my data for?
If it's targeting more really tedious videos of crap that I have no interest in or adverts for stuff I will never buy, then all they are doing is irritating me even more as I can't stop them however many I scroll past without watching or block. Their algorithms aren't as sophisticated as they like to think.
Or is it something more nefarious?
If it's targeting more really tedious videos of crap that I have no interest in or adverts for stuff I will never buy, then all they are doing is irritating me even more as I can't stop them however many I scroll past without watching or block. Their algorithms aren't as sophisticated as they like to think.
Or is it something more nefarious?
ElectricNaz
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I don't understand why people use Tik Tok aside from a way for those without real employable skills to make money off stupid people who watch them.
I wish it was banned here. All it does is kill brain cells surely. China have absolutely nailed this app, because all it does is make Westerners more stupid / ADD / antisocial / unproductive and whilst the West is busy scrolling through Tik Tok 6 hours a day, the Chinese are busy buying up all our companies and making themselves richer and more powerful.
Kids nowadays aren't wanting to go into real jobs, they just want to influence and be Internet famous. Our workforce is gonna be f***ed for new talent in 10/15 years
I wish it was banned here. All it does is kill brain cells surely. China have absolutely nailed this app, because all it does is make Westerners more stupid / ADD / antisocial / unproductive and whilst the West is busy scrolling through Tik Tok 6 hours a day, the Chinese are busy buying up all our companies and making themselves richer and more powerful.
Kids nowadays aren't wanting to go into real jobs, they just want to influence and be Internet famous. Our workforce is gonna be f***ed for new talent in 10/15 years
Tiktok is Chinese psychological warfare.
At home they are nowadays very rigid about screen time etc especially for children. Technologically imposed: once you've used your hours (don't remember the exact number) you can't use it any more.
China owns the biggest computer game companies and TikTok. They know from the old opium wars how efficient it is to make your opponent addicted to destructive behaviour. Every kid playing a Tencent owned game (like Fortnite or League of Legends) for 10+ hours every day will most likely be absolutely useless to society, same goes for kids watching Tiktok videos all day long.
Millions of westerners spend the MAJORITY of their time on Tiktok or addictive video games rather than getting decent educations or helping out in society. Delivered to us by China. At the same time, the Chinese themselves refuse their own to develop the same addictions.
Its a fantastic tool - way better than opium - to control a population and gain various advantages over a civilisation littered with video game/reel/social media junkies.
But just like people had a good time in the Chinese opium dens a few hundred years ago, people have a good time on Tiktok. That is certainly appears to be psychological warfare from China against the West - well, we're willing to overlook it as long as the kids are nice and quiet.
f*** Tiktok.
At home they are nowadays very rigid about screen time etc especially for children. Technologically imposed: once you've used your hours (don't remember the exact number) you can't use it any more.
China owns the biggest computer game companies and TikTok. They know from the old opium wars how efficient it is to make your opponent addicted to destructive behaviour. Every kid playing a Tencent owned game (like Fortnite or League of Legends) for 10+ hours every day will most likely be absolutely useless to society, same goes for kids watching Tiktok videos all day long.
Millions of westerners spend the MAJORITY of their time on Tiktok or addictive video games rather than getting decent educations or helping out in society. Delivered to us by China. At the same time, the Chinese themselves refuse their own to develop the same addictions.
Its a fantastic tool - way better than opium - to control a population and gain various advantages over a civilisation littered with video game/reel/social media junkies.
But just like people had a good time in the Chinese opium dens a few hundred years ago, people have a good time on Tiktok. That is certainly appears to be psychological warfare from China against the West - well, we're willing to overlook it as long as the kids are nice and quiet.
f*** Tiktok.
sussex_guy2k2
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- Jun 6, 2014
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They want to do that because the money is better, and the life style is better.
The question isn’t “should we stop social media so that kids get real jobs?”, the question is “how do we entice young people into industry?”.
sussex_guy2k2
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The average number of minutes spent on TikTok isn’t that different to the average number of minutes Chinese users spend on WeChat each day, and that’s their biggest social media platform.
Social media is a worldwide issue, not just an issue here.