This whole new England manager bullshit

[Bluejuice]

Am I the only one left deeply in despair to learn the shortlist is reckoned to be just big Sam, Curbs, O'Neill and bookies favourite McClaren?

Seriously, that is f***ing shit.

O'Neill is the only one with a half-decent CV and he's the only one who isn't English.

If McClaren gets the job as the bookies seem to fear then there really is something very wrong. Middlesbrough have lost 15 premiership games so far this season and yet their spending is on a par with teams like Liverpool and Spurs.

McClaren has never managed a team in the Champions League and his current Uefa cup run has been subject to good fortune on more than one occasion.

I like Allardyce and Curbishley but I just don't think their records make them deserving of such a big job just yet

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Am I the only one left deeply in despair to learn the shortlist is reckoned to be just big Sam, Curbs, O'Neill and bookies favourite McClaren?

Seriously, that is f***ing shit.

O'Neill is the only one with a half-decent CV and he's the only one who isn't English.

If McClaren gets the job as the bookies seem to fear then there really is something very wrong. Middlesbrough have lost 15 premiership games so far this season and yet their spending is on a par with teams like Liverpool and Spurs.

McClaren has never managed a team in the Champions League and his current Uefa cup run has been subject to good fortune on more than one occasion.

I like Allardyce and Curbishley but I just don't think their records make them deserving of such a big job just yet

Boro have spent a hell of a lot more than spurs.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

His net spending since taking over is £48.95m

He has spent £54.55m and sold on £5.6m worth of players




*Just for arguments sake...

In that same period Spurs have spent £66.95m in the same period, but recouped £20.65m making their spending a net of £46.3m

 

[The Large One]

Re: Re: This whole new England manager bullshit

Boro have spent a hell of a lot more than spurs.

So?

 

[Bry Nylon]

Don't let it be Allardyce.

He looks like that cartoon dog. Can't remember what it was called.

 

[The Large One]

Am I the only one left deeply in despair to learn the shortlist is reckoned to be just big Sam, Curbs, O'Neill and bookies favourite McClaren?

Seriously, that is f***ing shit.

O'Neill is the only one with a half-decent CV and he's the only one who isn't English.

If McClaren gets the job as the bookies seem to fear then there really is something very wrong. Middlesbrough have lost 15 premiership games so far this season and yet their spending is on a par with teams like Liverpool and Spurs.

McClaren has never managed a team in the Champions League and his current Uefa cup run has been subject to good fortune on more than one occasion.

I like Allardyce and Curbishley but I just don't think their records make them deserving of such a big job just yet

Liverpool won the Champions League with their fair slice of luck. In fact, almost everyone who wins something has to have a certain amount of luck. Napoleon didn't want his generals to be good, he wanted them to be lucky.

Point is, McLaren has got his team into two major cup semi-finals this season, has experience of the international set-up, and just as importantly, being England manager means not only does your role involve being an coach, tactician and motivator, you also have to be a diplomat. You are, after all, in just about the highest profile position any head of your nation's sport could be, and McLaren does appear to 'tick those boxes' in a way that certainly Allardyce doesn't.

Ramsey's record to becoming England manager was one league championship. Greenwood's was one FA Cup and one Cup-Winners' Cup 12 years before he got the job. Taylor, Hoddle, Keegan - some silverware in the lower divisions, but not much else. Managerial success does not necessarily qualify you for England managerial status - and nothing, aside from previous experience can prepare for the actual job itself. It's an entirely different beast altogether.

In other words, you are not comparing like with like.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Spurs is since Jol


Hossam Ghaly 2 million
Danny Murphy 2 million
Grzegorz Rasiak 1.7 million
Jermaine Jenas 7
Lee Young-Pyo 1.5 million
Edgar Davids free
Wayne Routledge around 2 million
Aaron Lennon 1 million
Paul Stalteri free
Tom Huddlestone 2 million
Teemu Tainio free
reid and dawson 8 million
27.2 million



Out


Grzegorz Rasiak loan then 2 million
Michael Brown 2 million
Noe Pamarot
Sean Davis
Pedro Mendes 7 million for all 3
Erik Edman 1.7
Fredi Kanoute 4.5
Thimothee Atouba 1.1
Simon Davies 4 million
Frank Arnson 2 million


24.3



rough spend 2.9

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Re: Re: Re: This whole new England manager bullshit

So?

His point was that boro have spent as much as spurs - thats so?

 

[Starry]

Who on earth told you you paid £1m for Lennon?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Who on earth told you you paid £1m for Lennon?

according to the press release.


i said prices where rough!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,296-795514,00.html

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Ah. My figures didn't include fees for YP Lee/Lennon etc.

 

[Starry]

Someone needs to send that press release to Leeds! He was on a Ridsdale special contract and as such we only got £450k payment. Gah.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Ah. My figures didn't include fees for YP Lee/Lennon etc.

But has made the funds through selling, which (no offence starry) is the way to do it unlike Leeds

 

[Beach Hut]

All four candidates are very poor - O'Neill best choice but don't think he is up for it at all.


We are destined for years in the wilderness at National level

 

[Starry]

But has made the funds through selling, which (no offence starry) is the way to do it unlike Leeds

When you're bent over a barrel you don't have much choice but to take what the vultures are offering.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

When your bent over a barrel you don't have much choice but to take what the vultures are offering.

Yep Keano, Robbo and Lennon - change from 10 million

 

[bigc]

When you're bent over a barrel you don't have much choice but to take what the vultures are offering.

I thought half the prices you paid for some of the players, especially Seth Johnson,were inflated even back then.

 

[Starry]

Yep Keano, Robbo and Lennon - change from 10 million

We were at a wedding with Paul two weeks ago, Lucy was bridesmaid.

You are welcome to the later two but would have liked to have kept Robbie.

 

[Starry]

I thought half the prices you paid for some of the players, especially Seth Johnson,were inflated even back then.

Indeed. But that is P. Ridsdale for you.