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[Albion] This transfer window has to be big



chaileyjem

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Jun 27, 2012
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Majority of our transfers always try to minimise risk as much possible

Do they ? Nearly all our transfers come with a lot of risk given that we deliberately shop in cheaper , riskier markets.
Either veteran players at risk from injury. or young players with no PL experience from unfashionable divisions (South America, Poland, Belgium/Holland, Japan) or expect them to step up from the Championship or take a punt on 17/18 year olds and hope they develop through the u23s or a series of loans.
When was the last time we bought a youngish , baggage free, experienced PL player ?
I guess Cucurella from La Liga might be the least risky signing in the last few years but he's still pretty young.
 




dazzer6666

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Overall the summer transfer window was a bit quiet which is understandable with everything going on. Clubs except a couple were a bit hesitant on going for those transfers which you normally see during the summer. This transfer window especially is a good time for Brighton to make some good potential signings. Currently we are 9th in the Premier League. Players around the world should now notice that we have a rather good squad and can offer a lot of options for players. My main issue and it's the same issue that a lot of other fans support is that we need that out and out striker. Welbeck and Maupay have been playing well I must say but I don't believe Welbeck has it in him to play a full 90 ( I might be wrong ). My worry is that our board might not give Potter the money to take a risk on signing that striker we want, Majority of our transfers always try to minimise risk as much possible and I feel like this could end up pushing coaches and our manager away. We've always said in the past we need to sign a good striker and now in my opinion there is no time better than right now.

-we're 9th with what we currently have despite a long winless run (DJ and Haircut didn't really contribute anything this season), so whether we 'need' anything is debatable
-January is ALWAYS a shit time to buy, and this time we'll be competing for literally anyone moving anywhere with Newcastle and their limitless pot of cash (as well as every other club looking for that elusive - and basically non-existent in the transfer - market '20 goal striker')
-we won't bust our wage structure or our long term strategy (ie we won't overpay, or sign expensive punts). It's not really minimising risk, it's maximising value and sticking to a plan - I strongly suspect our manager and coaches knew this when they signed up.
-the club have 10s of millions of losses to cover

It's a very difficult time to buy, not 'no better time' IMO - why would the club 'take a risk' as you say and undo everything that they work towards ? How much money do you think the board should 'risk' on a striker out of interest, and who would be an example of who you'd sign ?? An Nketiah or Origi for 10-15m because they're near the end of their contracts could possibly happen I guess, but even then wage demands make that very unlikely.
 


macbeth

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Jan 3, 2018
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That's just it though - if we finish 13th - 15th (reasonably comfortably, without biting our fingernails to the quick in the last few weeks of the season) it will be an incremental improvement, and we go again (in the PL, with our youngsters a year older and all our players a year more experienced) next season.

and I'd be happy with that. very happy. but we're going to have to invest up front either now or in the summer, and if the right deal is out there now, IMO we should bring that player in and see if we can do even better than that and maybe stay where we are now. people say that spending money is the easy option but I'd actually take issue with that. to me the comfortable option is us sticking with what we have and plodding on to a mediocre finish (as fantastic as that would be in the grand scheme of our history and everything). call me greedy, over-ambitious or entitled, but i think it would be fantastic if we could really push ourselves this season, and we'd really reap the rewards next season. strike while the iron's hot, so to speak. I'd be happy with 13th-15th, don't get me wrong, but I feel as though we have a chance this season to do something properly fantastic before we inevitably lose one or two key players this summer and could find ourselves in limbo next season, relying on the inexperienced younger prospects we have to come in and fill their shoes, or only being able to attract lower quality replacements for them because its' harder to sell a club that's finished 15th than it is to sell a club that's finished 9th. like, can we really expect caicedo to come from the bottom team in belgium back into our starting 11 and us not have a dip in quality in that area? or khadra, who, as good as he's been, has no real experience of top flight football. that's the thing: it may not be linear progress year on year, and barber and bloom have said as much. It could be the case that we end up selling biss, trossard or lamptey and whoever we bring in to replace them takes a while to acclimatise, and we end up finishing a bit lower next season. I don't even think that's a worst case scenario, I think its' a realistic possibility, and if that were to happen I think we would look back at this season as a missed opportunity. as i've mentioned, finishing higher this season would make it easier to attract better players come the summer, which we know has been an issue in the past, and getting in higher quality replacements for the players we do sell would certainly lessen the chances of us stumbling next season. as I think we all agree on, reinforcements this January aren't a must, but IMO it would be quite a shrewd thing to do, it would give them the second half of this season to get used to the PL and our team and if they do well it could really strengthen our hand when it comes to bouncing back from the sales that we're probably going to end up making this summer.

I meant that is would not be a disaster if – in a worst case scenario – there was no new striker AND Welbeck had another injury AND either Maupay or Trossard were injured. As in, the club wouldn't get relegated, players wouldn't down tools and be demanding to leave.

My wider point was the hope/expectation that goals could come from elsewhere. If the strikers had the same amount of goals they had now, but the midfield and defenders had chipped in with, say, 8-10 more goals between them, we wouldn't be having this debate.

you're right, but they haven't. the only player who's looked like doing so is mac allister, but he wasn't even getting off the bench until a few weeks ago, so there's still so much unknown there. maybe mwepu could be that player eventually, but probably not this season. and you're also right in that the worst case scenario you mention wouldn't be a disaster, but I do think it would be a bit of a letdown given where we are now, as happy as I would be with staying in the league again and finishing in lower mid-table. but we'd end up experiencing the same problems up front that we've always had, and we'd end up having exactly the same debate in the summer regarding a striker. at some point we're going to have to bite the bullet, and for me, we have an opportunity to bring someone in now and really push on and end up with a great finish at the end of the season. of course, there's the chance that striker X turns out to be a flop, but that fact is never going to change, whether we sign someone now or in the summer. I won't fully repeat myself here as I've mentioned it above already, but I think we have a lot to gain from bringing someone in now, and where we are now is a situation that we could quite easily not find ourselves in next season.
 


RexCathedra

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Jan 14, 2005
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I want -- nay, I demand -- someone brought in who's swingingly expensive, and whose surname is either unpronounceable or ends in a vowel, or both.
That I've seen on the telly, or at least read lots about on twitter. With years of experience with better teams, yet still wants a sideways-at-best move.

Who, exactly, doesn't matter. Position -- negotiable.
 


timbha

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Jul 5, 2003
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I want -- nay, I demand -- someone brought in who's swingingly expensive, and whose surname is either unpronounceable or ends in a vowel, or both.
That I've seen on the telly, or at least read lots about on twitter. With years of experience with better teams, yet still wants a sideways-at-best move.

Who, exactly, doesn't matter. Position -- negotiable.

Haven’t we just got rid of him?
 






Paulie Gualtieri

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May 8, 2018
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Overall the summer transfer window was a bit quiet which is understandable with everything going on. Clubs except a couple were a bit hesitant on going for those transfers which you normally see during the summer. This transfer window especially is a good time for Brighton to make some good potential signings. Currently we are 9th in the Premier League. Players around the world should now notice that we have a rather good squad and can offer a lot of options for players. My main issue and it's the same issue that a lot of other fans support is that we need that out and out striker. Welbeck and Maupay have been playing well I must say but I don't believe Welbeck has it in him to play a full 90 ( I might be wrong ). My worry is that our board might not give Potter the money to take a risk on signing that striker we want, Majority of our transfers always try to minimise risk as much possible and I feel like this could end up pushing coaches and our manager away. We've always said in the past we need to sign a good striker and now in my opinion there is no time better than right now.

Big or MASSIVE?
 


dazzer6666

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Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
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Just departures for Băluta, Roberts and Dendoncker to be sorted out now. Maybe Sherpen as well.
 


nickjhs

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Apr 9, 2017
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I doubt we will sign a Striker, the plan to get more goals from the midfield seems to be starting to work, plus Maupay has clearly been working hard. I find it interesting that in a game where 1-0 and 0-0 scorelines are common we seem to think that missing great chances is our speciality and the other sides would have put the ball in. I remember the howls of anguish that if we didn't land a new striker we were going to get relegated. Well that was three seasons ago and we are sitting a deserved 9th in the league. We signed a great part timer in Welbeck and kept on with the program. I have a great deal of trust in GP and the rest of the management.
 


Munkfish

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May 1, 2006
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My bet would be we are looking for a striker to sit on the bench and could see an incoming loan to boost numbers in the short term.

Maybe time for us to finally sign Greg Bobkin.
 




rogersix

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Jan 18, 2014
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As always, if the right player becomes available at the right price we will go for it. Nothing has changed in that regard nor will that change anytime soon.

this is how it is.

and it won't change.

thank you tony, i luv your philosophy, even if we don't win the cup :D
 








Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
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My bet would be we are looking for a striker to sit on the bench and could see an incoming loan to boost numbers in the short term.

Maybe time for us to finally sign Greg Bobkin.

Greg Bobkin endorses this idea.

#SingHimUp
 


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