GreersElbow
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I've also always struggled to move whilst running..
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This is terrifying.
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I've also always struggled to move whilst running..
looney
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- Jul 7, 2003
- 15,652
Or Greys Inn law firm.
You said that if she had been run over by the bus 'that would be manslaughter - that would be an easy case to prosecute'.
Make your mind up. The only difference here is how close the bus was to her and how quickly the driver reacted. If he's just a jogger who accidentally bumped into someone, then you can't easily prosecute him, regardless of whether she then got run over or not. You're saying whether or not he's done anything wrong is down to what happened afterwards. That makes no sense.
You can have attempted voluntary manslaughter (even though not in this case).
But earlier you said 'if a jogger knocking into someone is assault, then every time that a jogger knocks into someone, that's assault'. You can't make your mind up.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
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- #44
If you look at the still picture at the end of the video, it's not even a one armed push. His left arm comes right across his body to push her with both arms. That is assault in anybody's book.
If she was then injured, it become ABH or GBH.
Do we know why he's been classified as a "jogger" and not as a "runner"?
symyjym
Banned
She was very lucky. I would call that attempted murder.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
I hope he gets an acute case of joggers' chafing. Absolute twunt.
KingKev
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If I was on the jury I'd be happy to consider an attempted murder charge. In the US and most European states they have some form of "endangerment" crimes covering reckless or malicious acts likely to endanger life, but not sure we do outside of maritime law and some motoring offences?
Suspect it will end up with some feeble assault charge where the old Harrovian jogger will get told off by an old Etonian judge but let off because he's so talented at fixing libor rates and constructing complex but worthless swap instruments....
Suspect it will end up with some feeble assault charge where the old Harrovian jogger will get told off by an old Etonian judge but let off because he's so talented at fixing libor rates and constructing complex but worthless swap instruments....
Baker lite
Banned
She's lucky it wasn't one of the new,progressive driverless busses.
It seems that one or two people have had one quick look at the vid (or none) and have launched into a game of hypotheticals, and pontification, based upon guesswork, what they have learned about the laws from a flatmate or someone down the pub, and then run with it like it is a discussion about whether or not Skalak can do anything more than cross the ball. FFS - look at the video again a few times, engage the brain, and take note - through a desire to cause serious injury or merely through the sort of 'instinct' that has the odd person pushing glasses into people's faces in a wine bar (other news, passim), someone's life was put deliberately at risk. It may or may not be hard to prove the point in court (especially if there is a jury and it is populated by likeminded 'only need one look and I can make up my mind' types) but, FFS, sometimes I can't believe the stuff I read on here 
On the front page of The Standard too so someone's going to recognise him soon.
As a runner - note NOT jogger- I'm saddened there's someone like that in our community. My fellow runners are generally the best people there are so this is doubly sickening.
There's no defending it at all. He clearly makes a move towards the woman and shoves her.
Once you are committed to a sudden move you can't pull out of it at speed but that's why we always run in a straight line as a rule, and get annoyed with those elastic dog leads on the seafront or "moving trip hazards" if you like. So to do that could easily be prosecuted because he's done something extremely unnatural that could also be a danger to himself.
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As a runner - note NOT jogger- I'm saddened there's someone like that in our community. My fellow runners are generally the best people there are so this is doubly sickening.
There's no defending it at all. He clearly makes a move towards the woman and shoves her.
Once you are committed to a sudden move you can't pull out of it at speed but that's why we always run in a straight line as a rule, and get annoyed with those elastic dog leads on the seafront or "moving trip hazards" if you like. So to do that could easily be prosecuted because he's done something extremely unnatural that could also be a danger to himself.
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Why not cctv on a bridge? There are plenty of other council run cctv cameras in that location including on that bridge (see camera 601 on this link). As you will see that area is saturated with cctv. He must have been captured countless times even after leaving the bridge so I think there is a likelihood that there will be better images of him available in which he is more identifiable. Of course it depends what priority the police are putting on this. They might not consider it in their interests to devote the manpower in tracking his movements to find a better image.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...ghOMAw&usg=AFQjCNFjLG3wL4j0UVj9IGkFNYmhLeSrKw
symyjym
Banned
I don't think he will ruin the reputation of the jogging community. It just makes you wonder how many other "accidents" he has caused in his life because he looked pretty experienced and as cool as a cucumber in this evil deed?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
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This was on the 6pm news this evening, and it seems similar assaults have taken place in London. What is the matter with people?
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
It MIGHT be an accident - you could put a case together that he wasn't concentrating/looking where he was going, and accidently ran into her. Putting up his arms was a defensive move when he saw her at the last moment to avoid a head on collision. She fell over because he had the greater momentum, and accidently rolled into the path of an on-coming bus...
The case for the defence m'lud.
Which rather falls apart because he didn't look back or stop to help, and just buggered off.
The case for the defence m'lud.
Which rather falls apart because he didn't look back or stop to help, and just buggered off.
Living in London - you see cctv all over the place - but not so liberally on bridges generally; practically speaking where would you attach them?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
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- #58
On lampposts.
most bridges in London (Putney a case in point) don't have lampposts. They have specially designed low-level ornamental lighting
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,778
Catch him, flog him and then toss him over the side of the bridge. If he makes it to the bank then we all move on. If he drowns, oh well, we all move on... 