[Cricket] Third Test- India v England- Venue: Sardar Patel Stadium, Ahmedabad 24-28.02.2021

[CHAPPERS]

Given the fact there's big holes in the pitch there's room for his foot to go further down, and it does. I think it's out, it might well not be, but you can't make a decision on that evidence alone.

Edit: there is also no soft signal so you have to use all available technology.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Behind the line and grounded? His foot leaves the ground

Exactly he had no view of the bails or the ball but went on flashing lights. No where in the rule of cricket does it say lights have to flash. It clearly says the stumps broken. The third umpire again failed to fully view it much to the favour of the Indians surprise surprise.

Whatever is said about Root talking to the umpire all he said was it's got to a fair review and we have seen on more than occasion it hasn't been. The earlier catch did look grounded but so did theirs in our innings from certain angles. They showed every angle until he decided it was out yet as the fielder stood up the 3/4 of the ball was out of his hand facing downwards.

It is cheating, nothing changes just like their wickets. Yes by all means have a wicket to favour your bowlers but you can't have one that does even constitute a solid surface, you might as well play beach cricket

 

[A1X]

Interesting...

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[CHAPPERS]

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[Hotchilidog]

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His foot is not grounded. That is out.

 

[vegster]

Looks mostly in to me, benefit of doubt goes to the batsman..... Given the footmark holes in the pitch it could be he is sliding his foot in to a groove!

 

[Eeyore]

His foot is not grounded. That is out.

Can't be sure if it is touching the ground at point of stump breaking. It sinks lower, but may still be touching previously.

Needed a stump camera reference.

 

[Eeyore]

I'm sure someone will be along to say how fair this has all been...

Depends on your inference.

It is fair if the decision making is simply poor.

I don't think there are any games going on. This is not 1981 (when umpires took as many wickets as players in some sessions). There is too much scrutiny for that now.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Looks mostly in to me, benefit of doubt goes to the batsman..... Given the footmark holes in the pitch it could be he is sliding his foot in to a groove!

Use the slider, if you tracked his foot mechanics it moves in an arc, it lifts goes back then down, doesn’t slide back.

Personally think it’s out, but it’s marginal, it’s certainly marginal enough for a 3rd umpire to require more than 1 view and state ‘that’s definitely grounded’.

 

[Lincolnshire Seagull]

Lot of anger on this thread. (Monday's frustrations still sore?)

What is annoying me is that Kohli is allowed to play in this match, after his (at least) three ugly instances of dissent towards the umpires in the last Test. Have the ICC / match referee got no balls to stand up to him?

Now we sadly see Root behaving in a similar manner.

When recreational cricket restarts and some of us are umpiring local matches, we are likely to suffer the knock-on effect of this.

 

[Eeyore]

Lot of anger on this thread. (Monday's frustrations still sore?)

What is annoying me is that Kohli is allowed to play in this match, after his (at least) three ugly instances of dissent towards the umpires in the last Test. Have the ICC / match referee got no balls to stand up to him?

Now we sadly see Root behaving in a similar manner.

When recreational cricket restarts and some of us are umpiring local matches, we are likely to suffer the knock-on effect of this.

Leagues have pretty stiff penalties for this now. Certainly in Sussex.

Hopefully the same up your way.

 

[Eeyore]

Love to see a bowler wearing glasses

Old school

Didn't stop my 300 Sunday wickets.

That said, a nightmare on sweaty days. I sometimes wore a headband.

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

It's all just so bloody awful. God we're crap.

 

[OzMike]

Need reminding that a test is supposed to last 5 days.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Lot of anger on this thread. (Monday's frustrations still sore?)

What is annoying me is that Kohli is allowed to play in this match, after his (at least) three ugly instances of dissent towards the umpires in the last Test. Have the ICC / match referee got no balls to stand up to him?

Now we sadly see Root behaving in a similar manner.

When recreational cricket restarts and some of us are umpiring local matches, we are likely to suffer the knock-on effect of this.

Root wasn’t aggressive he was asking why other angles weren’t used and for fairness in arriving at decisions. If that wasn’t challenged there and then I’m not sure it ever would be.

 

[Lincolnshire Seagull]

Root wasn’t aggressive he was asking why other angles weren’t used and for fairness in arriving at decisions. If that wasn’t challenged there and then I’m not sure it ever would be.

Sorry, no. Arguing with the umpire on the field is not part of cricket. By all means make polite enquiries back in the pavilion. Anyway the onfield umpire can't control what the TV umpire is doing.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Sorry, no. Arguing with the umpire on the field is not part of cricket. By all means make polite enquiries back in the pavilion. Anyway the onfield umpire can't control what the TV umpire is doing.

From listening to the stump mic he wasn’t arguing as that takes two people he was questioning the reasoning behind the quick decision in direct contrast to India’s reviews. He asked for “fairness that’s all I ask”. In the last game where a review obviously failed to fully play out the incident, if I was on the field as captain I’d request there and then to speak to the match referee. During that incident it was pointed out to the umpires yet they failed to go back to the tv umpire and get him to properly look at it.

As long as you politely ask the question but be firm, as captain you have the right. Waiting until everyone has gone home is too late. It wasn’t finger wagging and the umpire on the field appeared to me to offer some sympathy.

If a captain can’t ask a question how can such aggressive appealing be tolerated especially from the likes of India, Sri Lanka and Pakistan now that is intimidating.

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

Sorry, no. Arguing with the umpire on the field is not part of cricket. By all means make polite enquiries back in the pavilion. Anyway the onfield umpire can't control what the TV umpire is doing.

He can't control what he's doing, but he does literally have a direct line to communicate any particular concerns.
I didn't see the incident in question so I'm not defending the detail of how Root or anybody else behaved, but if he genuinely believes the third umpire has missed something he has to say so at the time.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

He can't control what he's doing, but he does literally have a direct line to communicate any particular concerns.
I didn't see the incident in question so I'm not defending the detail of how Root or anybody else behaved, but if he genuinely believes the third umpire has missed something he has to say so at the time.

He certainly didn’t raise his voice he spoke calmly but asked for fairness and consistency. Simply multiple views used for Indian reviews just the one each time for the England ones. I think he had a right to ask, especially when two reviews were for close to ground catches, Indian one 5 camera angles, from which only one showed anywhere near enough evidence of it being taken cleanly. The England one, one view and given not out.

 

[Eeyore]

Sorry, no. Arguing with the umpire on the field is not part of cricket. By all means make polite enquiries back in the pavilion. Anyway the onfield umpire can't control what the TV umpire is doing.

I don't agree in full. I think a captain should have the right to question and prompt an umpire if he feels there has been a transgression. The captain only. The umpire should then respond with an explanation which the captain then accepts.

This kind of leeway is allowed to a certain extent in rugby. I have seen captains make requests of the referee that have been followed up with action or reasoning.

Obviously, a captain has to know when they have overstepped the mark though.