The Vaccine Thread

[beorhthelm]

Suggestions the population will have to be vaccinated bi-annually to keep a control on this virus

suggestions from who, a credible source or irrational imaginations?

 

[Fungus]

Suggestions the population will have to be vaccinated bi-annually to keep a control on this virus as it is likely as the virus mutates and continues to thrive even once the adult population has been vaccinated it will still be a big threat particularly over winters hence the suggestion some controls will need to be in place at least next winter and maybe permanently to ease pressure on NHS and prevent as many deaths as possible.

Please can we just get through this winter first, evaluate where we are, and leave the gloomy speculation until we are better informed?

There are all sorts of possible scenarios, and I hope they are being researched and planned for, but let's not try to depress ourselves even more.

 

[crodonilson]

suggestions from who, a credible source or irrational imaginations?

Hancock said as much today, would probably be consolidated with the flu vaccine.

 

[dazzer6666]

Hancock said as much today, would probably be consolidated with the flu vaccine.

So actually no different to pre-covid then. Flu vaccine ++ for those that want/need it.

 

[dsr-burnley]

suppose it depends if you are one of those few thousand. Crikey!

In a sense, it does.

So let's put some figures down. There are about 300,000 people over 80 in this country and each year about 300,000 of them die. If we carry on with restrictions like say lockdown tier 2, ie. no attendance at sport, amateur sport ends, no holidays, no meetings or visits or going to see more than one grandparent, then we could reduce that figure of 300,000 to 295,000. Because that's the number of people of that age who die before their time of flu, each year.

If it turns out that by continuing coronavirus restrictions we could prevent about 5,000 coronavirus deaths per year,thus reducing the national death rate by a little less than 1%, would you do it? Because I am not aware that there has been any desire to do that for flu.

 

[darkwolf666]

In a sense, it does.

So let's put some figures down. There are about 300,000 people over 80 in this country and each year about 300,000 of them die. If we carry on with restrictions like say lockdown tier 2, ie. no attendance at sport, amateur sport ends, no holidays, no meetings or visits or going to see more than one grandparent, then we could reduce that figure of 300,000 to 295,000. Because that's the number of people of that age who die before their time of flu, each year.

If it turns out that by continuing coronavirus restrictions we could prevent about 5,000 coronavirus deaths per year,thus reducing the national death rate by a little less than 1%, would you do it? Because I am not aware that there has been any desire to do that for flu.

You are talking complete and utter bollocks, go away and re read what you have put. Put your Wurzel Gummidge empathy head on then come back and apologise for being a tit...

 

[dazzer6666]

In a sense, it does.

So let's put some figures down. There are about 300,000 people over 80 in this country and each year about 300,000 of them die. If we carry on with restrictions like say lockdown tier 2, ie. no attendance at sport, amateur sport ends, no holidays, no meetings or visits or going to see more than one grandparent, then we could reduce that figure of 300,000 to 295,000. Because that's the number of people of that age who die before their time of flu, each year.

If it turns out that by continuing coronavirus restrictions we could prevent about 5,000 coronavirus deaths per year,thus reducing the national death rate by a little less than 1%, would you do it? Because I am not aware that there has been any desire to do that for flu.

There are 3m over 80s approx, not 300k (suspect just a typo).

 

[darkwolf666]

There are 3m over 80s approx, not 300k (suspect just a typo).

Lot of typos and supposition in his post then!

 

[dsr-burnley]

You are talking complete and utter bollocks, go away and re read what you have put. Put your Wurzel Gummidge empathy head on then come back and apologise for being a tit...

So sorry, I'll try and be as empathetic and kind and polite as you ib future.

 

[dsr-burnley]

There are 3m over 80s approx, not 300k (suspect just a typo).

Thanks, yes. 3m over 80's, 10% approx die each year. Obviously, sadly, a higher proportion in 2020.

 

[crodonilson]

I note the Scottish Health minister said she thinks the current lockdown will need to go on for 3 months, so until mid April before we go back to a toughened up tier system and that many lockdown measures would need to be continued over the summer to keep case rates low before the inevitable increase in Autumn and to avoid the catastrophe we had last year and into this year.

 

[RossyG]

I note the Scottish Health minister said she thinks the current lockdown will need to go on for 3 months, so until mid April before we go back to a toughened up tier system and that many lockdown measures would need to be continued over the summer to keep case rates low before the inevitable increase in Autumn and to avoid the catastrophe we had last year and into this year.

If we carry on vaccinating two million a week, everyone over eighteen who wants it will have had it by mid-August so there’ll be no need for any tiers or restrictions by then.

 

[darkwolf666]

So sorry, I'll try and be as empathetic and kind and polite as you ib future.

I'm sorry that I was rude to you and for that I apologise.

The bit I don't apologise for is the ignorance of people who don't appear to fully understand the gravity of the situation for some and somehow get their figures completely wrong! Somehow forgetting in the process that each one of those figures is a human life.

Yes I understand there is going to be a cost going forward and if things aren't got in check pretty soon then yes there will be deaths caused by lack of care because of Covid.

All I ask is, that as a nation, we have a bit of patience to see the vaccine rolled out. Then and only then should we start talking about unavoidable deaths as a pay off against the economy and other matters.

Clearly Covid deaths will never be zero, but like flu there comes an acceptance at some point - that point isn't now!

PS - sarcasm isn't a replacement for rudeness...

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I note the Scottish Health minister said she thinks the current lockdown will need to go on for 3 months, so until mid April before we go back to a toughened up tier system and that many lockdown measures would need to be continued over the summer to keep case rates low before the inevitable increase in Autumn and to avoid the catastrophe we had last year and into this year.

She also said it would be catastrophic for the economy and mental health.

 

[crodonilson]

She also said it would be catastrophic for the economy and mental health.

She did but what alternative is there??

 

[The Fits]

Daily Mail headline today...Care Homes: We've Been Betrayed Over Jabs....only 1 in 10 vulnerable residents given vaccine.

Oh dear.

 

[dazzer6666]

She did but what alternative is there??

Start carefully reducing restrictions as soon as a) the risk of collapse of the health service has passed and b) all the elderly, vulnerable and keyworkers (inc teachers) have been vaccinated.

With b) being mid Feb, a) is probably mid/end March to allow for the lag and recoveries to get the numbers in hospital down, so mid/end March we’ll potentially start to see restrictions start to be eased.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Daily Mail headline today...Care Homes: We've Been Betrayed Over Jabs....only 1 in 10 vulnerable residents given vaccine.

Oh dear.

They have been betrayed since day 1 and we are still seeing majority of cases/deaths from CH

 

[The Fits]

They have been betrayed since day 1 and we are still seeing majority of cases/deaths from CH

I'm struggling with it to be honest. The disdain we've shown for the vulnerable, for 'people with existing health conditions'.
When I think about the clamour to save Christmas etc I struggle not to cry.
We, and by that I mean all of us, have let people down, and we'll look back at this in years to come with disbelief at our selfishness and arrogance.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I'm struggling with it to be honest. The disdain we've shown for the vulnerable, for 'people with existing health conditions'.
When I think about the clamour to save Christmas etc I struggle not to cry.
We, and by that I mean all of us, have let people down, and we'll look back at this in years to come with disbelief at our selfishness and arrogance.

These are care home deaths, people that have been allowed little or no contact with the outside world

Seems the easiest place to control, no?

You can lockdown what ever you want, till you get better infection control in hospitals and Care homes it won’t really matter.