The Vaccine Thread

[Poojah]

This will be interesting to watch, in terms of whether vaccinations can help to stop transmission.

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Seriously, the rate things are going here in the UK we should have hit herd immunity in about three and a half weeks (and I'm not talking about our #worldbeating vaccination program).

Shame about all the dead people, mind.

 

[Bodian]

End of March isn't mid-Feb.
My point re: Johnson is that it seems silly to even mention mid-Febuary and this fabled target of 2 million a week when the most important thing is that the most vulnerable people are vaccinated most effectively. If that takes 3 months so be it.

To be fair to Bungling Boris, he did say 'mid Feb, then there's 2-3 weeks for it to build immunity'. He said this sort of thing twice to make it clear that the target was to vaccinate enough by mid-Feb to make early March a viable time to start easing restrictions.

 

[atomised]

To be fair to Bungling Boris, he did say 'mid Feb, then there's 2-3 weeks for it to build immunity'. He said this sort of thing twice to make it clear that the target was to vaccinate enough by mid-Feb to make early March a viable time to start easing restrictions.

Seconded on that. He had to mention mid February as the review date and as with all things covid there is a lag to seeing results

 

[dazzer6666]

Seriously though, where IS Nadhim Zahawi?

Spotted !


Vaccine rollout minister Nadhim Zahawi says there will be a "big increase" in the numbers of coronavirus jabs being delivered from next week.

"It is an ambitious plan. The prime minister is right to set an ambitious target. The NHS has a very clear plan and I am confident that we can meet it," he told BBC Breakfast.

The aim is to vaccinate the most vulnerable by mid-February.

He added there would be a "significant increase" from the 1.3 million vaccines done in the UK since 8 December.

Later speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, he said the manufacturing challenge was "complex" but that there would come a time when production stabilises.

And in terms of the deployment, he said there was a "very credible plan" to hit the government targets.

National vaccination centres - in places like sports halls - will be opening in the coming days, he said.

Pharmacies will also be involved, along with the private sector, in delivering the vaccines, added the minister.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Finally!

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13.9 by mid Feb.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Good luck to him and everyone involved. Here's hoping they can make inroads, it's important that death rates drop quickly for vaccine take up in the general population.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Israel are crushing it at the moment

Can we just copy them

 

[RossyG]

Israel are crushing it at the moment

Can we just copy them

I heard they were doing well. How many are they inoculating a week?

 

[dazzer6666]

I heard they were doing well. How many are they inoculating a week?

Their actual number is currently about the same as ours (1.4m) but obviously as a % of population it’s much higher. They are aiming for 2m by end Jan - so numerically at least will hopefully be well behind us by then.

-pre-ordered vaccine stocks
-24/7 operation
-military involved
-no waste

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9115127/How-Israel-leaped-ahead-vaccine-race.html

Very similar overall to our approach - think the issue for us is virtually no-one expects us not to **** it up at some point.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Their actual number is currently about the same as ours (1.4m) but obviously as a % of population it’s much higher. They are aiming for 2m by end Jan - so numerically at least will hopefully be well behind us by then.

-pre-ordered vaccine stocks
-24/7 operation
-military involved
-no waste

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9115127/How-Israel-leaped-ahead-vaccine-race.html

Very similar overall to our approach - think the issue for us is virtually no-one expects us not to **** it up at some point.

Our rate is abysmal at present. They get flu jabs out at the rate of 1 million per week while everyone is still doing their normal jobs as well; therefore it's obvious that 1 million per week is the baseline, the starting point. Any week that we only jab 1 million is a week where the system has failed.

2 million per week ought to be the easy target. Extra volunteer staff should be used regardless of whether they have undertaken a recent fire safety course. Anyone who thinks that the excess deaths from having someone who hasn't received detailed training in how to leave a building is going to contribute more deaths than delaying the vaccination programme, is a buffoon.

When they have achieved two million per week, the target should be three million, and that should be achieved by the week after next. There system should be in place where the number of jabs is restricted only by the number of vaccines produced. Today's paper (Daily Telegraph) says that 8 million Oxford jabs are in storage - why? What good are they doing there? Those 8 million jabs should be in people's arms.

The blame is being laid at the NHS non-medical hierarchy. The pharmacists want to get involved, and the NHS is reluctant. If anyone in the NHS is worried about their power base, then they ought to be sacked instantly because in this vasccination battle, if you aren't working for us, you're working against us. 11,300 pharmacies do flu jabs every year so they are perfectly qualified to do coronavirus jabs, and the "minister for vaccinations" is meeting with them next week. NEXT WEEK!!! Can you believe that? Why not this afternoon? In fact, if a meeting was scheduled for this afternoon, why not this morning? Why is he not on the phone now? 8 million jabs in storage, 11,300 pharmacies ready and willing to inject them, and they are talking about NEXT WEEK!!!!!

NHS doctors and nurses are working flat out and have been for almost a year trying to control this thing. What are the administrators doing? Come on lads, it's Friday, home for the weekend?

 

[dazzer6666]

Our rate is abysmal at present. They get flu jabs out at the rate of 1 million per week while everyone is still doing their normal jobs as well; therefore it's obvious that 1 million per week is the baseline, the starting point. Any week that we only jab 1 million is a week where the system has failed.

2 million per week ought to be the easy target. Extra volunteer staff should be used regardless of whether they have undertaken a recent fire safety course. Anyone who thinks that the excess deaths from having someone who hasn't received detailed training in how to leave a building is going to contribute more deaths than delaying the vaccination programme, is a buffoon.

When they have achieved two million per week, the target should be three million, and that should be achieved by the week after next. There system should be in place where the number of jabs is restricted only by the number of vaccines produced. Today's paper (Daily Telegraph) says that 8 million Oxford jabs are in storage - why? What good are they doing there? Those 8 million jabs should be in people's arms.

The blame is being laid at the NHS non-medical hierarchy. The pharmacists want to get involved, and the NHS is reluctant. If anyone in the NHS is worried about their power base, then they ought to be sacked instantly because in this vasccination battle, if you aren't working for us, you're working against us. 11,300 pharmacies do flu jabs every year so they are perfectly qualified to do coronavirus jabs, and the "minister for vaccinations" is meeting with them next week. NEXT WEEK!!! Can you believe that? Why not this afternoon? In fact, if a meeting was scheduled for this afternoon, why not this morning? Why is he not on the phone now? 8 million jabs in storage, 11,300 pharmacies ready and willing to inject them, and they are talking about NEXT WEEK!!!!!

NHS doctors and nurses are working flat out and have been for almost a year trying to control this thing. What are the administrators doing? Come on lads, it's Friday, home for the weekend?

Don’t disagree with most of what you say but to call it ‘abysmal’ this early is a bit strong IMO. With (up until Monday) only limited stocks of the ‘awkward’ Pfizer vaccine to use it’s been difficult. Oxford/AZ don’t yet have vast amounts of their vaccine in vials ready for distribution that have been approved.

If we don’t hit at least 2m/week within a couple of weeks then the real sh*t will hit the fan though......

 

[beorhthelm]

Our rate is abysmal at present.

half million in first week is abysmal? you have too high expectations, and im usually optimistic. there are medical restrictions, supply chain and other logistics, cant just expect 0-8m in a week. 2-3m will be excellent run-rate.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Our rate is abysmal at present. They get flu jabs out at the rate of 1 million per week while everyone is still doing their normal jobs as well; therefore it's obvious that 1 million per week is the baseline, the starting point. Any week that we only jab 1 million is a week where the system has failed.

2 million per week ought to be the easy target. Extra volunteer staff should be used regardless of whether they have undertaken a recent fire safety course. Anyone who thinks that the excess deaths from having someone who hasn't received detailed training in how to leave a building is going to contribute more deaths than delaying the vaccination programme, is a buffoon.

When they have achieved two million per week, the target should be three million, and that should be achieved by the week after next. There system should be in place where the number of jabs is restricted only by the number of vaccines produced. Today's paper (Daily Telegraph) says that 8 million Oxford jabs are in storage - why? What good are they doing there? Those 8 million jabs should be in people's arms.

The blame is being laid at the NHS non-medical hierarchy. The pharmacists want to get involved, and the NHS is reluctant. If anyone in the NHS is worried about their power base, then they ought to be sacked instantly because in this vasccination battle, if you aren't working for us, you're working against us. 11,300 pharmacies do flu jabs every year so they are perfectly qualified to do coronavirus jabs, and the "minister for vaccinations" is meeting with them next week. NEXT WEEK!!! Can you believe that? Why not this afternoon? In fact, if a meeting was scheduled for this afternoon, why not this morning? Why is he not on the phone now? 8 million jabs in storage, 11,300 pharmacies ready and willing to inject them, and they are talking about NEXT WEEK!!!!!

NHS doctors and nurses are working flat out and have been for almost a year trying to control this thing. What are the administrators doing? Come on lads, it's Friday, home for the weekend?

Flu jab doesn't need to be frozen, from what I've read numbers will ramp up very quickly from next week.

 

[dazzer6666]

Flu jab doesn't need to be frozen, from what I've read numbers will ramp up very quickly from next week.

They’re going to have to. Just listened to the Commons statement and news follow-up........seems Bungle and chums have gone all-in on delivering the 14m jabs by the middle of Feb.

Clear public commitment, daily stats to be published etc. If they balls this up it’ll be the crowning turd in the water system given previous over-promises and under-delivery

 

[Thunder Bolt]

half million in first week is abysmal? you have too high expectations, and im usually optimistic. there are medical restrictions, supply chain and other logistics, cant just expect 0-8m in a week. 2-3m will be excellent run-rate.

Boots and Lloyds chemists volunteered to administer it but the government turned them down.

 

[dazzer6666]

Boots and Lloyds chemists volunteered to administer it but the government turned them down.

Maybe they weren’t the best options for the administration? Boots are already opening 3 vaccination sites.

 

[beorhthelm]

Boots and Lloyds chemists volunteered to administer it but the government turned them down.

its not clear why they have rejected using pharmacies. one suggestion is to enable them to continue serving customers to the pharmacy, rather than shutting for vaccine only.

 

[dsr-burnley]

its not clear why they have rejected using pharmacies. one suggestion is to enable them to continue serving customers to the pharmacy, rather than shutting for vaccine only.

They don't shut when they're doing flu jabs.

 

[beorhthelm]

They don't shut when they're doing flu jabs.

no they dont. they also dont have rules on only 2 inside at a time.

 

[Yoda]

Don’t disagree with most of what you say but to call it ‘abysmal’ this early is a bit strong IMO. With (up until Monday) only limited stocks of the ‘awkward’ Pfizer vaccine to use it’s been difficult. Oxford/AZ don’t yet have vast amounts of their vaccine in vials ready for distribution that have been approved.

If we don’t hit at least 2m/week within a couple of weeks then the real sh*t will hit the fan though......

Unfortunately, the person from NHS England in charge of getting all the IT kit issued out seems to be.... Well, lets just say Ray Charles (blind & 16 years dead) could do a better job.