Me and Mrs Woody too.
The Tower of London poppies are fake, trite and inward-looking
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beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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Only OUR dead though.
rubbish, its recognised across europe. there's nothing remotly nationalistic about it.
Yes but the memorial contains the same number of poppies as british military fatalities in world war 1, it doesn't make mention of civilians, people from other countries e.t.c. so I don't agree that this memorial is a memorial of the dead of war, I do believe there is a nationalisitic angle to it which shouldn't be there. Why are the deaths of military personel being recognised here?
British and Commonwealth/Empire/Colonies, not just British.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
They didn't have any choice. Politicians got them into the war, and ordinary men were called up. They made the sacrifice for others decisions.
Not only this but people have them foisted on them left right and centre (e.g. tv personalities and football managers). Remembrance should surely be a personal thing? I'm tempted to donate but not take a poppy.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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you talked about the poppy. now changing tack. i have no idea why the memorial focuses on the forces that went off to fight a war and sacrifice their lives for something they thought was very important, ask the organisers. or maybe leave it alone.
Grombleton
Surrounded by <div>s
- Dec 31, 2011
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This. It's worrying how often it is used as a divisive symbol rather than bringing people together.
The memorial IS poppies, so obviously they are very intrinsically linked.
What I don't understand, is why or how placing militrary personel on a plinth (as you yourself do here) helps us remember these attrocities and prevent them happening again. That's my point, that there's a disconnect between how people now approach these things and how they were originally intended to be used, and this memorial, in choosing to look at military deaths only is a part of this.
GreersElbow
New member
Last paragraph is a great point, the memorial and everything around the poppy on appears to concentrate on the sacrifices people made. It essentially romanticises war rather than depict the brutal suffering and gory nature of war.
The problem is, we remember them and their sacrifices then only go and repeat the same errors. Most of those who have died, died in vain because our politicians and so called leaders drag us into more unnecessary wars.
The problem is, we remember them and their sacrifices then only go and repeat the same errors. Most of those who have died, died in vain because our politicians and so called leaders drag us into more unnecessary wars.
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I donate but don't wear a poppy. Our taxes are used to send our troops to war. Why should it be expected for charity to look after them and their families when they come home dead, injured or mentally scarred? I can remember the fallen without wearing a poppy.
Piss off bushy the grown ups are trying to have a discussion about something grown-up, dont need your help.
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Actually thinking about it bushy, don't. Ignorant, racist twats like you sum up everything that has become wrong with the poppy.
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Dave the OAP
Well-known member
I think for a moderator on this forum, you ought to calm down and behave like one. You are not coming out of this discussion very well.
Erm....he's not a Moderator.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
kinell...he's a moderator...!! what the furk...!! the fact is that if the men who died in previous , major wars were to be brought back to see what they fought for ......they would , to a man , be not impressed...would they now...
it makes my stomach contents curdle to hear shit from people who haven't actually lost anything yet , telling other people what biggots they are......
kinell...he's a moderator...!! what the furk...!! the fact is that if the men who died in previous , major wars were to be brought back to see what they fought for ......they would , to a man , be not impressed...would they now...
it makes my stomach contents curdle to hear shit from people who haven't actually lost anything yet , telling other people what biggots they are......
Can anyone make a post that doesn't attempt to romanticise war, anyone?
sydney
tinky ****in winky
it wasn't romantic 70 years ago ...it was a necessity.......no romance then MATE..!!
EXACTLY.
And now by romantacising them so fervently, we completely fail to learn from the mistakes we made in the lead-up to those wars, and run the very real risk of a poptentially much worse repeat.