[Politics] The Tories hit new LOWS with the Windrush situation

[Insel affe]

You've obviously no idea what this is all about then , so best let the adults discuss it

My wife has indefinite leave to remain, still you know best you condescending one trick pony.

 

[Insel affe]

I am not worried for myself, just my mum. Your faith in the home office is touching. However I have been reading about people who have been granted indefinite leave to remain, but have been unable to prove it and have had a nightmare dealing with the consequences. This is quite close to home for me.

http://new.lag.org.uk/media/186917/small_chasing_status.pdf

Sorry to hear that, I can only speak from my wife's experience, and she has had no issues or letters etc.
Have you applied for the citizenship ?

 

[Ernest]

My wife has indefinite leave to remain, still you know best you condescending one trick pony.

Why are you being abusive for

If haven't realised that all the people being threatened with deportation and being detained all had ILR then go and read up about this situation before making abusive posts

 

[Ernest]

Too expensive to find out how many affected but we have the magic money tree to buy off the DUP and bung bombs at Syria

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[Uter]

Sorry to hear that, I can only speak from my wife's experience, and she has had no issues or letters etc.
Have you applied for the citizenship ?

No, and she doesn't intend to, but of course in theory she shouldn't have to. Haven't had any letters yet, but my concern is a letter out of the blue in the next few years and she finds herself in a situation where she cannot prove she has leave to remain (e.g. lost passport), and there is no central record. I expect she'll be ok, but it worrisome to hear of people in similar situations and it's opened my eyes to how badly things can go wrong.

 

[Insel affe]

Why are you being abusive for

If haven't realised that all the people being threatened with deportation and being detained all had ILR then go and read up about this situation before making abusive posts

Because you replied to me "You've obviously no idea what this is all about then , so best let the adults discuss it"

I am very touchy at the moment, I found that provocative and condescending.

 

[alfredmizen]

i think the concept that citizenship is separate from where you are born is totally lost on him.

No it isnt you condescending rsole , there is "on paper" and there is what people think .

 

[alfredmizen]

No, that's still not the case.

Irrespective of holding that other passport / nationality, they still ARE British, and have the same rights of any other British citizen.

you might want to tell some of the ISIS lot who have had their citizenship taken away that they WERE just as british as me

 

[Thunder Bolt]

No, and she doesn't intend to, but of course in theory she shouldn't have to. Haven't had any letters yet, but my concern is a letter out of the blue in the next few years and she finds herself in a situation where she cannot prove she has leave to remain (e.g. lost passport), and there is no central record. I expect she'll be ok, but it worrisome to hear of people in similar situations and it's opened my eyes to how badly things can go wrong.

I can understand your worries. The people concerned were told in the 70s & confirmed in 98 that they had indefinite rights here, but in 2014 someone moved the goal posts.
There is no knowing what might happen next.

EU citizens told they can stay after next year, but for how long?
I know of French & Dutch ladies married to Brits, who are concerned

 

[pb21]

you might want to tell some of the ISIS lot who have had their citizenship taken away that they WERE just as british as me

So how do you define being British?

 

[The Clamp]

i read his posts, i reply to his posts.......thats why i have him on ignore........lol

Fish in a barrel job with you ain't it!

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

So how do you define being British?

Winning the first prize in the lottery of life?

 

[alfredmizen]

So how do you define being British?

born here , or one or more british parent.

 

[alfredmizen]

Winning the first prize in the lottery of life?

good old cecil.

 

[Gwylan]

Winning the first prize in the lottery of life?

good old cecil.

His actual quote was "being born an Englishman was winning first prize in the lottery of life"!

Tough luck to the women, the Welsh and the Scottish then

 

[pb21]

born here , or one or more british parent.

So someone born here, with parents also born here, who then moved abroad to an Islamic country after one day, grew up a Muslim, speaks Arabic, and hates the Queen is British?

But someone else born in France to French parents, but then moved to Britain after one day, and grew up in Britain regularly attending a church of England church, who is technically a British citizen who drinks tea and would die to protect the Queen isn't British?

Your definition seems flawed to me?

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

His actual quote was "being born an Englishman was winning first prize in the lottery of life"!

Tough luck to the women, the Welsh and the Scottish then

Well..they benefit from the lotto charities.

Keeps them in brown coal and rough shag baccy.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

So someone born here, with parents also born here, who then moved abroad to an Islamic country after one day, grew up a Muslim, speaks Arabic, and hates the Queen is British?

But someone else born in France to French parents, but then moved to Britain after one day, and grew up in Britain regularly attending a church of England church, who is technically a British citizen who drinks tea and would die to protect the Queen isn't British?

Your definition seems flawed to me?

That person is probably holed up in Aleppo with an AK and a Koran.

 

[looney]

So someone born here, with parents also born here, who then moved abroad to an Islamic country after one day, grew up a Muslim, speaks Arabic, and hates the Queen is British?

But someone else born in France to French parents, but then moved to Britain after one day, and grew up in Britain regularly attending a church of England church, who is technically a British citizen who drinks tea and would die to protect the Queen isn't British?

Your definition seems flawed to me?

Trying to define British is like trying to nail jelly to a wall. It is what the rulers decide by force if necessary. Weve expelled people with greater claim to be here than recent arrivals. Highland clearances, Transportation to Australia etc. We have a healthy vibrant history of kicking people out.

People with the guns decide.

 

[alfredmizen]

So someone born here, with parents also born here, who then moved abroad to an Islamic country after one day, grew up a Muslim, speaks Arabic, and hates the Queen is British?

But someone else born in France to French parents, but then moved to Britain after one day, and grew up in Britain regularly attending a church of England church, who is technically a British citizen who drinks tea and would die to protect the Queen isn't British?

Your definition seems flawed to me?

ah well....