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[Albion] The third goal was offside?
- Thread starter Hornblower
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I don't know about written,
Brighton receive third PGMOL apology this season for missed penalty against Spurs
The PGMOL have apologised to Brighton for the third time this season after failing to award a penalty against Tottenham The Professional Game Match Officials Limited have admitted a mistake was mad…
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One apology for one of the 5 decisions widely believed to be wrong in the Spurs match.
One apology for the Estupinian goal being ruled offside v Palace
One for the not giving Fabinho a red card in the cup match v Liverpool.
They became a lot more open about these apologies when Howard Webb took over. I remember seeing rumours of one for a penalty v Villa earlier in the season before he came in, but google isn't showing anything.
EDIT: Carragher fumed about the villa decision, apparently https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...la-VAR-penalty-Jamie-Carragher-Premier-League
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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Want evidence that I've well and truly lost my mind? Now watch as a man who doesn't have a clue what he's doing tries to blag something. Below is an image which I have taken the two lines we know to be true. The edge of the penalty box and the white line through the penalty spot.
I wanted to see how the 'offside' line would change as you move from penalty box line to the penalty spot line. I have pitched the two original lines all the way to the top of the below image to find the apex. I have then stated new lines from the base and taken them up to the point where they meet the apex created from the furthest left and right lines. It creates the below.
I have then zoomed back in to the original image to see where the Van Hecke/Madini time/space continuum line has landed. The results are below:
To summarise, he might be offside......but it is also clearly evident from this that I have too much time on my hands and I am not a structural engineer.
I wanted to see how the 'offside' line would change as you move from penalty box line to the penalty spot line. I have pitched the two original lines all the way to the top of the below image to find the apex. I have then stated new lines from the base and taken them up to the point where they meet the apex created from the furthest left and right lines. It creates the below.
I have then zoomed back in to the original image to see where the Van Hecke/Madini time/space continuum line has landed. The results are below:
To summarise, he might be offside......but it is also clearly evident from this that I have too much time on my hands and I am not a structural engineer.
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Good work, and yes, he’s offside
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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I don't want to be controversial......but I had doubts over the original 'down line' from Mancini. I have now drawn a perfectly straight line down from the starting point in the armpit. The line has not moved one pixel left or right (i checked).....and I come out with this. You can see my black line down from mancini starts in the same place from his body. That is directly down.....and it is behind my offside line. I am absolutely sticking to my belief that there has been no mistake, he was onside and we are just grabbing at the fact we didnt see the image. If a mistake has been made, it will come out.
We won't hear anything because it was fine, in my opinion.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Looks level to me, would want that to have stood if that was Welbeck.
Camera angle plays a huge part in the foreshortening of the angles.
Camera angle plays a huge part in the foreshortening of the angles.
TWOCHOICEStom
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I think one thing we can all agree on is that this is a really really good thread. Well done everyone.
Tend to agree it’s more likely a deceiving camera angle than a mistake.
m20gull
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Why is the armpit itself used? The definition in the IFAB law is "For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit". I thought this allows the ball to strike the outside of the shoulder down level to the armpit. That would move the defender's line goalward a bit.
So you're saying it was 2?
And it should have been more
Firstly, on the third goal, all the evidence seems to point it was offside but that VAR didn't do it's job properly (I believe in Europe it is a semi automated system).
As for the first goal, it was correctly given but the linesman didn't flag straight away yet later in the half, Adingra broke through and was immediately flagged offside in a close call. Why didn't the linesman allow play to continue and allow VAR to make the decision if a goal had been scored? Seemingly double standards.
As for the first goal, it was correctly given but the linesman didn't flag straight away yet later in the half, Adingra broke through and was immediately flagged offside in a close call. Why didn't the linesman allow play to continue and allow VAR to make the decision if a goal had been scored? Seemingly double standards.
Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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Same thing happened repeatedly as Spurs this season.
First half lino didn't raise his flag (and kept it down) for seemingly every Spurs attack.
Second half, he was raising it straight up at marginal decisions, that could have developed.
I don't think it's necessarily deliberate, but sometimes linesmen have double-standards on when and what to flag for
TWOCHOICEStom
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It’s only semi-automated in the Champions League according to folk on twitter.
Actually, read today that it's semi automatic in Serie A but not in the Europa League.
If the club have felt compelled to question it, they must have further knowledge of a f*** up.
nicko31
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So frustrating, it changed everything
Have they formally questioned it?
Yes
Mentioned in the article in this thread.
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