looney
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Ive got no argument with that. NATO has been a bit defunct since the Soviet Union collapsed, still better than the EU shambles.
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The Syria crisis
- Thread starter Mutts Nuts
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Ive got no argument with that. NATO has been a bit defunct since the Soviet Union collapsed, still better than the EU shambles.
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looney
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Hamas and Hizzbollah?
JC Footy Genius
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Perhaps we should also get rid of Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland just in case Russia wants to destabilize these countries after they've finished with Ukraine.
symyjym
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Hamas is Sunni and yes I understand that Iran used to fund them, but they were not directly strapping bombs to people as a part of a strategy. It has been Sunni's strapping bombs to Sunni's.
Hezbollah are more of a conventional force and they do not practice suicide bombings. There may have been one or two decades ago but it is not a method they practice.
Israel is a long complex issue as you know, and Hezbollah are not in direct conflict with them at this current time. The organisation is very different to the one last century and Iran is different too.
In the world we live in today I am not concerned with Shia's or Iran because Iran has evolved as a country. It still has a way to go but it has evolved. Sunni Wahhabism on the other hand is very concerning in the world today.
Mutts Nuts
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You have your head in the sand along side Cameron, wake up and look at the real issue we are all facing
symyjym
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You can’t use an imaginary paranoid hypothetical future conflict in a debate on Syria. It’s complicated enough without being daft.
Czechmate
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Think you will find the US helped start the ball rolling on the Ukraine crisis and a coup in Kiev ! I wish the UK was independent from the US instead of backing every move they virtually do . Of course Putin has his nasty side , same as Obama with the torturing of prisoners , but it is ok for them as it is in their 'National Interest' . Over the years I have learnt and watched the US try and push capitalism every where in the world , anything they get involved in is only in their own global interests , they do not care about anybody , they are so worried about China taking over as the number one world power . Putin does what he wants and has the support of his people , if he wants gays band in his country then why not ? why should the UK tell him how to act ? After Britain's history we are not the country to tell how other countries should be run !
symyjym
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I agree with all that apart from Putin wanting to ban gays. Moscow has actively refused to authorise gay pride parades, not ban gays. Your point still stands but with a slight correction.
Mutts Nuts
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Looks like Turkey is going to get what it wants, what options do America/NATO have if Russia refuse to halt air strikes
http://news.sky.com/story/1641902/obama-tells-putin-to-rein-in-syrian-air-raids
http://news.sky.com/story/1641902/obama-tells-putin-to-rein-in-syrian-air-raids
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symyjym
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I don't think they will get what they want especially when they are shelling the Kurds who have an alliance with both the US and Russia. The Syrian opposition has to agree to an unconditional ceasefire before this conflict starts changing. It must be very difficult to identify extemists groups and so called moderate groups from the air. I think there are about a hundred different factions.
JC Footy Genius
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You mean I disagree with your point of view. What is the real issue we are all facing?
I'm guessing the PM probably has a better understanding and grasp of the real situation in Syria and the wider middle east than any of us chuntering away on this thread. (With the possible exception of symyjym of course ..)
Oh I think I can and did. Seemed an appropriate response to a suggestion that Turkey should be kicked out of NATO for upsetting the lovely Mr Putin.
Don't forget the EU in your conspiracy theory they encouraged Ukraine too!
Yep and alive and well on NSC!
symyjym
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Mutts Nuts didn't say though did he.
He said "The sooner Turkey are kicked out of NATO the better, they are determined to drive a wedge between Russia and the west"
It's a fair comment unlike your reply.
Mutts Nuts
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Not sure what your view on the crisis is can you clarify, what is your opinion on Turkey independently shooting down the Russian jet
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If someone has 'quoted' someone else and edited the quote, er, that's trolling. If JCFG did that, I'd be surprised, but if he did . . . . very naughty. I can't be arsed to read this whole thread to find out . . . . in any case, 'my despot is better than your despot' seems a bit ..... pointless . . .
symyjym
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If someone has 'quoted' someone else and edited the quote, er, that's trolling. If JCFG did that, I'd be surprised, but if he did . . . . very naughty. I can't be arsed to read this whole thread to find out . . . . in any case, 'my despot is better than your despot' seems a bit ..... pointless . . .
This is the link to the misquoted quote.
https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showt...Syria-crisis&p=7284344&viewfull=1#post7284344
I am all for a constructive debate until it goes off on a tangent with daft comments rather than real points as you can see from JCFG on this thread.
He should be admonished, then. All the best. HWT.
JC Footy Genius
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If someone has 'quoted' someone else and edited the quote, er, that's trolling. If JCFG did that, I'd be surprised, but if he did . . . . very naughty. I can't be arsed to read this whole thread to find out . . . . in any case, 'my despot is better than your despot' seems a bit ..... pointless . . .
I didn't 'quote' anyone. I use 'quotation' marks if and when I do.
Do you even understand what the word quote means? (No) At best you could have accused me of misrepresenting his argument which I would also refute.
Speaking of daft comments your thread police routine is wearing a bit thin. I haven't noticed Mutts Nuts complaining about the way I interpreted his view.
#quotegate
JC Footy Genius
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A complicated and tragic situation that has far more to do with internal Syrian and regional power struggles than outside interference from our end.
Turkey was technically within it's rights to shoot down a foreign war plane entering it's airspace especially after previous incursions across the border and numerous warnings.
JC Footy Genius
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Syria crisis: Hospital strike deliberate, says MSF
Seven people have died in an air strike on a Medecins Sans Frontieres hospital in northern Syria, the organisation said, calling it a "deliberate" attack.
MSF said Syria's government or Russia was behind the raid in Maarat al-Numan. There has been no response from either.
A further eight people are missing from the raid, the medical charity said.
Separate strikes on a hospital in the same town, as well as on two more hospitals and a school in Azaz, killed at least 12 people, reports said.
MSF anger
MSF said its hospital in Maarat al-Numan was hit by four missiles within minutes of each other.
This "leads us to believe that... it wasn't an accidental attack, that it was deliberate," said Sam Taylor, the spokesman for MSF operations in Syria.
Mego Terzian, president of MSF France, told Reuters "either the [Syrian] government or Russia" was "clearly" responsible.
Monday's attack in Idlib province leaves tens of thousands without medical care, MSF warned.
Unicef said four medical facilities across Syria had been struck: two in Idlib province, two in Azaz. Two schools in Azaz were also hit, the organisation said, reportedly killing six children.
Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said a Russian ballistic missile had hit buildings in Azaz, with children among the dead.
Russia has been carrying out air strikes in Syria since September in support
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35579767
Seven people have died in an air strike on a Medecins Sans Frontieres hospital in northern Syria, the organisation said, calling it a "deliberate" attack.
MSF said Syria's government or Russia was behind the raid in Maarat al-Numan. There has been no response from either.
A further eight people are missing from the raid, the medical charity said.
Separate strikes on a hospital in the same town, as well as on two more hospitals and a school in Azaz, killed at least 12 people, reports said.
MSF anger
MSF said its hospital in Maarat al-Numan was hit by four missiles within minutes of each other.
This "leads us to believe that... it wasn't an accidental attack, that it was deliberate," said Sam Taylor, the spokesman for MSF operations in Syria.
Mego Terzian, president of MSF France, told Reuters "either the [Syrian] government or Russia" was "clearly" responsible.
Monday's attack in Idlib province leaves tens of thousands without medical care, MSF warned.
Unicef said four medical facilities across Syria had been struck: two in Idlib province, two in Azaz. Two schools in Azaz were also hit, the organisation said, reportedly killing six children.
Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said a Russian ballistic missile had hit buildings in Azaz, with children among the dead.
Russia has been carrying out air strikes in Syria since September in support
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35579767