[News] The Southdown & Eridge Hunt's traditional boxing day meet has been stymied

[beorhthelm]

Also, have you no response to my post that it was the Hunt that made threats to the organisers Charity Foodbank event that meant the event had to be cancelled?

I’ve edited my post to consider your point that only one Wheelbarrow race was booked but that is neither here nor there - the fact is, you were wrong to blame the Action on Anti-foxhunting when it was the Hunt that caused the Council approved charity event to be cancelled not the organisers of the Wheelbarrow run..

you might consider, after learning the wheel barrow race was a sham, that threats were too. probably cancelled because lack of interest, there's no point to the race once the hunt had rescheduled to earlier. the race only existed as a clever idea to block the hunt.

 

[Zeberdi]

Lets be honest,.as the many posts here demonstrate, the main thrust of the anti fox hunt (whether after foxes or following a trail) brigade is class based. If the antis really cared bout the fox then they would be campaigning against shooting and snaring of foxes which is a truly horrible and slow way of killing a fox. I have never and will never go on a hunt but the hypocrisy and bullsh*t needs calling out.

Sorry but being against fox-hunting has fcuk all to do with class - anti-blood sports is a POV shared by people in all levels of society and regardless of background.

Personally I don’t like Foxes or any animals/birds being culled for agriculture purposes either and there is some scientific doubt as to whether culling is an effective way of controlling species but the difference is, is that it is not done for fun or consists of chasing a terrified fox for hours across the countryside until it drops in exhaustion to be ripped excruciatingly apart by a pack of hounds while hunters look gleefully on at the ‘kill’. When done properly and according to DEFRA GUIDELINES, snaring and shooting foxes is far more humane than hunting them/letting them be ripped apart while still alive by dogs.

https://www.gwct.org.uk/media/680075/Snaring-Best-Practice-Booklet.pdf

 

[shingle]

Did you watch the footage I posted of a trail hunt killing a fox?

Also, have you no response to my post that it was the Hunt that made threats to the organisers Charity Foodbank event that meant the event had to be cancelled?

I’ve edited my post to consider your point that only one Wheelbarrow race was booked but that is neither here nor there - the fact is, you were wrong to blame the Action on Anti-foxhunting when it was the Hunt that caused the Council approved charity event to be cancelled not the organisers of the Wheelbarrow run..

I haven’t got a dog in the race so to speak, but please think about it. Threats to the wheelbarrow race, I dunno, but can you see the headlines ‘charity wheelbarrow racers for food banks attacked by hunt supporters’ the hunt and by association all hunts would be outcasts, any support that they might have outside hunting circles would evaporate. So I think it’s unlikely that serious threats were made. More likely, the event was never going to go ahead in first place. People will make up their own minds

 

[Wardy's twin]

Would you object to a sheep farmer who has lost Lambs to a fox from shooting it ?? ps def don`t like snaring any animals

Figures indicate 2-4% of lambs are killed/seen dead in the presence of sheep/lambs what is not known is how many are actually killed by foxes rather than when they have scavenged those born dead/aborted.

Very similar story about the myth of foxes killing cats, they will certainly take road kill . Approximately 250,000 cats are killed on roads every year.

Some foxes will attack sheep, some will kill cats but in both cases it would have to be a rogue or very hungry fox attacking an old/injured/weak cat/lamb/sheep. The numbers will be miniscule.

 

[Zeberdi]

you might consider, after learning the wheel barrow race was a sham, that threats were too. probably cancelled because lack of interest, there's no point to the race once the hunt had rescheduled to earlier. the race only existed to block the hunt.

The Wheelbarrow race was not a sham, it was cancelled for health and safety reasons - organisers of public events have to provide assurance that health and safety standards are adhered to (by law) and to pay for insurance - the Hunt threats to ride horses through an event posed a direct public risk. The threats were passed on to the police and the organisers had no choice but to cancel the proposed event.

From Lewes Present Facebook page

Nigel O'Donnell
The organisers of the wheelbarrow run properly applied via official channels for road closures, undertook health and safety assessments, risk assessments, insurance, navigated all the hurdles the council placed before them, all of this the hunt have never done or ever been asked to do.
Unlike the hunt it was an event inclusive to the whole community.
The hunts insistence on parading their horses and dogs along this same route, with no authorisation, no permission and with none of the legal requirements foisted upon the wheelbarrow run organisers was just a sordid attempt to sabotage this event taking place. Whatever anyone may argue, town centres and Boxing Day are not the exclusive remit of the hunt and the wheelbarrow organisers obtained the 'spot' fair and square.
As with all thugs and violent criminals pertaining to the hunt they resorted to threats and intimidation tactics which illustrates exactly what they are all about

 

[Creaky]

Sorry but being against fox-hunting has fcuk all to do with class - anti-blood sports is a POV shared by people in all levels of society and regardless of background.

Personally I don’t like Foxes or any animals/birds being culled for agriculture purposes either and there is some scientific doubt as to whether culling is an effective way of controlling species but the difference is, is that it is not done for fun . . . .

Exactly this

Interestingly no mention has been made of the horses forced to partake. The only animal I can think of that can be hit multiple times with a crop in public without any protest being made nor offence committed.

 

[Wardy's twin]

I haven’t got a dog in the race so to speak, but please think about it. Threats to the wheelbarrow race, I dunno, but can you see the headlines ‘charity wheelbarrow racers for food banks attacked by hunt supporters’ the hunt and by association all hunts would be outcasts, any support that they might have outside hunting circles would evaporate. So I think it’s unlikely that serious threats were made. More likely, the event was never going to go ahead in first place. People will make up their own minds

I think you are correct it will be manipulated into something it was not intended to and perhaps some retrospective action is required to correct that but don't under estimate the levels of violence that occur on a regular basis where cars are bricked, tires slashed, horses ridden at people. The infamous whip[ping incident not a one off.

Personally I would prefer that Hunt Saboteurs changed their name to something else as it paints the picture of something that it isn't, the great unwashed breaking the law. There are other organisations e.g. Hunt Monitors .

 

[BN9 BHA]

I think you’re intelligent - so point proven there.

 

[Wardy's twin]

you might consider, after learning the wheel barrow race was a sham, that threats were too. probably cancelled because lack of interest, there's no point to the race once the hunt had rescheduled to earlier. the race only existed as a clever idea to block the hunt.

one might consider that but a look at this thread might show you who the people who are experts in creating shams

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58654916

 

[sully]

All i know is that the one or two piles of horse crap could have been cleared up in 5 minutes.

Was it?
Who do you think should be clearing it up?
Did they?

 

[Hamilton]

Christ on a bike! Putting on a red frock and chasing round after an imaginary fox? They should be banned just for being weird.

But, as long as no animals are harmed (accidentally or otherwise) then what the hell. We can’t just start banning stuff because we don’t like the people or the privilege they represent.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

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Great turnout for the traditional Boxing Day meet of the Cheshire Hunt today in Tarporley. Took my daughter and she loved it. High Street and all cafes and pubs packed from one end to the other.

Superb turnout. Brian May supporting one today where humans are the scent! Marvellous scenes. Just the usual wet wipes who don’t like it. It is bloody two faced that those who want freedom of expression etc only are happy when it suits their agenda. Antis really do come under this type if person. I know some hunts still are illegal which are scum, but lots are not!

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

Christ on a bike! Putting on a red frock and chasing round after an imaginary fox? They should be banned just for being weird.

But, as long as no animals are harmed (accidentally or otherwise) then what the hell. We can’t just start banning stuff because we don’t like the people or the privilege they represent.

Spot on.

 

[Zeberdi]

Christ on a bike! Putting on a red frock and chasing round after an imaginary fox? They should be banned just for being weird.

But, as long as no animals are harmed (accidentally or otherwise) then what the hell. We can’t just start banning stuff because we don’t like the people or the privilege they represent.

Er that is not the arguments that have been voiced here and it is ridiculous to suggest that is what people are saying. No one is trying to ‘ban’ anything that isn’t already banned under the Hunting Act 2004.

You have completely missed the whole point of why people are against trail hunting - The point is, animals are still being harmed with trail hunting - some argue it is a ‘smokescreen’ to continue hunting with dogs..

(No one was trying to ban the Meet from having an event either - the Council awarded the road closure slot to the Wheelbarrow run - so the Hunt needed to find an alternative venue/day.)

 

[WATFORD zero]

Christ on a bike! Putting on a red frock and chasing round after an imaginary fox? They should be banned just for being weird.

But, as long as no animals are harmed (accidentally or otherwise) then what the hell. We can’t just start banning stuff because we don’t like the people or the privilege they represent.

Apart from the 5,000 -7,000 foxhounds put down per annum because they don't have the 'hunting instinct as pups' or are 'too old to keep up with the pack', the tens of thousands of foxes still 'accidentally killed', the horses being whipped across the fields to make them run and jump and the young cubs dug out by terrier men to train young foxhounds.

Apart from them, you mean. Certainly no more cruel than hare coursing, badger baiting or dog fighting

 

[BN9 BHA]

Has a previous conviction for interfering with a Badger sett.

Wrexham: Hunter who let hounds chase fox fined

Chris Woodward was huntsman of a Ruabon-based hunt at the time of the offence in January this year.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Billy the Fish]

The Wheelbarrow race was not a sham, it was cancelled for health and safety reasons - organisers of public events have to provide assurance that health and safety standards are adhered to (by law) and to pay for insurance - the Hunt threats to ride horses through an event posed a direct public risk. The threats were passed on to the police and the organisers had no choice but to cancel the proposed event.

Of course it was a sham ffs. It's on page one of this thread, they booked a wheelbarrow race to disrupt the hunt.

Of all hills you could pick to die on regarding this subject, the wheelbarrow race isn't it!
(From someone who really couldn't give a shit either way about hunting/sabotaging hunts)

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Would you object to a sheep farmer who has lost Lambs to a fox from shooting it ?? ps def don`t like snaring any animals

As someone that has farmer in the family I don't have an objection to farmers shooting foxes to protect livestock. But then he doesn't chase them within an inch of exhaustion before having it ripped apart by a pack of dogs while still alive.

 

[armchairclubber]

Christ on a bike! Putting on a red frock and chasing round after an imaginary fox? They should be banned just for being weird.

But, as long as no animals are harmed (accidentally or otherwise) then what the hell. We can’t just start banning stuff because we don’t like the people or the privilege they represent.

Agreed, particularly if it's the Quorn Hunt.

But I'm gonna have to let the other half and my daughter know that their Christmas roast still suffered at the hands of these fancy dressed wierdos

 

[BN9 BHA]

Warning- Don’t watch the video if easily upset by animal cruelty.