The SAS shot the innocent Brazilian bloke

[Deportivo Seagull]

Junior,

I am in a superior service to you (RAF) and have been for 25 plus years. IF you have heard something in the bar irt will only be rumours, The SAS do not go around telling people what they do or where they go.
on several ocasions I have flown the guys to places and they do not say a word about ops..
So grow up stop starting or spreading rumours, you did sign the Official secrets act when you joined the army.

RAF superior service ... my ar$e,

I've too been around the SAS, they don't talk about anything to do with ops, in fact they don't talk about anything much. Very polite but not much else. Anyway shooting someone half a dozen times in the head is not really their style. They do however have a very fetching line in blue tracksuits ...

As for Pongo's .........

 

[London Calling]

Also appears the "killers" went on holiday right away.

I imagine that is normal pratice.

Just been talking to one of my mates who is a West Yorkshire sargeant but deals with the "heavies" the door breakers, riot police etc. He would have been the man in charge of the leeds stuff (door breaking) but was up in Scotland "leathering anarchists". He said thr \london \met i.e So13 took over the whole operation in Leeds and left the local police to do the communty stuff

 

[Scoffers]

Another question, why did they shoot him so many times? If they were trained marksmen (or true SAS) surely one well placed shot would have been enough.

It's very sad that an innocent died, but to fire so many shots at the poor chap, surely the Police must have been convinced of his guilt, and if they were convinced, and they thought he would blow up a tube train, then they should be vindicated.

So it all comes down to having sufficient evidence, seems like another WMD type f*** up to me

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Another question, why did they shoot him so many times? If they were trained marksmen (or true SAS) surely one well placed shot would have been enough.

It's very sad that an innocent died, but to fire so many shots at the poor chap, surely the Police must have been convinced of his guilt, and if they were convinced, and they thought he would blow up a tube train, then they should be vindicated.

So it all comes down to having sufficient evidence, seems like another WMD type f*** up to me

Been mentioned on here a few times. Normal policy is to put rounds into the largest area - the torso. Because of the amount of organs in this area, and the rounds that are being used, you are pretty much guaranteed a kill with a pair of rounds. If you introduce suicide bombers into the equation, it may mean that a round to the torso could set of explosives. Very few people are taught to shoot a distinct body areas, so the current policy is to make the shot to the head. However, the headshot is not a guaranteed kill, and the body motor responses may function before the brain stops working. The safest way to stop any motor function is to completely destroy brain activity as quickly as possible - this means multiple shots. Anyone that has slaughtered animals will also recognise this - a head shot to a cow does little more than stun them, which is why you then have a special tool which is used to destroy the brain, producing death. The human body is remarkably resilient, and will function when you think it should be flat on the floor!

When you have multiple officers, their sole task is to make a situation safe. They cannot rely on one officer making the required amount of killing shots, which is why multiple officers discharged weapons.

Messy, unpalatable for many, but true.

 

[Scoffers]

Been mentioned on here a few times. Normal policy is to put rounds into the largest area - the torso. Because of the amount of organs in this area, and the rounds that are being used, you are pretty much guaranteed a kill with a pair of rounds. If you introduce suicide bombers into the equation, it may mean that a round to the torso could set of explosives. Very few people are taught to shoot a distinct body areas, so the current policy is to make the shot to the head. However, the headshot is not a guaranteed kill, and the body motor responses may function before the brain stops working. The safest way to stop any motor function is to completely destroy brain activity as quickly as possible - this means multiple shots. Anyone that has slaughtered animals will also recognise this - a head shot to a cow does little more than stun them, which is why you then have a special tool which is used to destroy the brain, producing death. The human body is remarkably resilient, and will function when you think it should be flat on the floor!

When you have multiple officers, their sole task is to make a situation safe. They cannot rely on one officer making the required amount of killing shots, which is why multiple officers discharged weapons.

Messy, unpalatable for many, but true.

I guess that makes sense then. Thanks
.

Was it just mistaken identity do you think?

 

[3gulls]

Even if the SAS pulled the triger, they would only have done a job given to them by the police. They only get to do the dirty work!

 

[3gulls]

Another question, why did they shoot him so many times? If they were trained marksmen (or true SAS) surely one well placed shot would have been enough.

It's very sad that an innocent died, but to fire so many shots at the poor chap, surely the Police must have been convinced of his guilt, and if they were convinced, and they thought he would blow up a tube train, then they should be vindicated.

So it all comes down to having sufficient evidence, seems like another WMD type f*** up to me

Why take any risks? If the order was given to take the guy out, then surely the number of rounds used is irrelevent.

 

[junior]

Junior,

I am in a superior service to you (RAF) and have been for 25 plus years. IF you have heard something in the bar irt will only be rumours, The SAS do not go around telling people what they do or where they go.
on several ocasions I have flown the guys to places and they do not say a word about ops..
So grow up stop starting or spreading rumours, you did sign the Official secrets act when you joined the army.

ERM............Who told you i am in the ARMY??


Btw,what do you do in the RAF?

 

[swindonseagull]

official secret ....Im not telling you.. and you don't need to know old chap.

chocks away tally ho and all that.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

official secret ....Im not telling you.. and you don't need to know old chap.

chocks away tally ho and all that.

Ah. Blanket stacker then. Or maybe risen to the dizzy heights of blanket counter!

Why are the RAF like penguins? Because only 1 in a million actually fly.....

 

[caz99]

"Victims of the July 7 terror attacks are being forgotten amid the "hysteria" surrounding the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, it is claimed.

Diana Gorodi, whose sister Michelle Otto died in the Russell Square blast, also condemned attempts to "crucify" police.


She said the shooting of Mr de Menezes, a Brazilian electrician, was a "dreadful mistake" but it had taken the focus away from the 52 bombing victims.

Her comments came as officials from Brazil fly to Britain to quiz investigators probing the death of the 27-year-old's death at Stockwell Tube station."

This pretty much sums up how I am feeling about it at the moment. It was a pretty awful error by the police but we are forgetting about the other 50 plus people that lost their lives too. The police are human just like the rest of us and mistakes will be made. the mass hysteria all the time in the media and by the public i suspect makes it very difficult at times for them to do their job. I dont think i would like to be doing the job at the current time

 

[Hampden Park]

Ah. Blanket stacker then. Or maybe risen to the dizzy heights of blanket counter!

Why are the RAF like penguins? Because only 1 in a million actually fly.....

good to see the senior service getting the upper hand over the brylcream boys

 

[London Calling]

"Victims of the July 7 terror attacks are being forgotten amid the "hysteria" surrounding the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, it is claimed.

Diana Gorodi, whose sister Michelle Otto died in the Russell Square blast, also condemned attempts to "crucify" police.


She said the shooting of Mr de Menezes, a Brazilian electrician, was a "dreadful mistake" but it had taken the focus away from the 52 bombing victims.

Her comments came as officials from Brazil fly to Britain to quiz investigators probing the death of the 27-year-old's death at Stockwell Tube station."

This pretty much sums up how I am feeling about it at the moment. It was a pretty awful error by the police but we are forgetting about the other 50 plus people that lost their lives too. The police are human just like the rest of us and mistakes will be made. the mass hysteria all the time in the media and by the public i suspect makes it very difficult at times for them to do their job. I dont think i would like to be doing the job at the current time

You have to agree with this. It is 58 dead now!

And our papers etc are clambering over the de Menezes family for quotes and quotes. Has the daily Mail got a contract with them?

LC

 

[sydney]

the press are scum and will flog an already dead donkey just to see if they can get another twitch out of it............and the brazilian officials can feck right off as far as i'm concerned,if the lad was at home working in rio or sao paoulo he would probably have been shot fecking years ago....

 

[junior]

official secret ....Im not telling you.. and you don't need to know old chap.

chocks away tally ho and all that.

You still havent told me who told you i was in the Army??


Or did you "asume"?? because you must know what "asuming" does dont you?

 

[swindonseagull]

I have flown the guys to places

did that give you a clue?

Oh and 2 's's in Assuming !!

Toottle pip

 

[maffew]

You still havent told me who told you i was in the Army??


Or did you "asume"?? because you must know what "asuming" does dont you?

makes an ASS of U and ME, location "Belfast" might give the army bit away, though I think you've posted before that you're in the army cos I seemed to recall it as well

 

[the wanderbus]

Agree with sydney .I've read "The innocent brazilian" was an illegal immigrant working in this country with a fake unlimited stay stamp in his passport.No reason to be shot but at the end of the day he shouldn't have been here & wouldn't have been shot if he wasnt. No matter how much wringing of hands there is & despite the fact he wasn't a suicide bomber the guy was not innocent!

 

[looney]

This is why the Police and i would imagine the government too are shitting themselves about it coming out.


I dont think the papers will let this lie and its only a matter of time before it all comes out in the wash.


You heard it here first.

bullshit. Capping some guy 8 times in the head seems like panic, The SAS dont panic, coppers do.

 

[junior]

did that give you a clue?

Oh and 2 's's in Assuming !!

Toottle pip

Would you be so kind as to tell me your rank and where you are currently posted?