[Football] The rise of gamesmanship ...

[Deleted member 37369]

For once, I find myself agreeing with Sean Dyche!

"Harry Kane is a great pro but some of it leaves you scratching your head."

"It was a big drama over nothing. It is worrying to me when I see the physio concussion-testing him after that. Really? Come on."

"The strange thing about football is that on one night you have a player who, in theory, is very close to getting a broken ankle and nothing is said, and another gets a broken eyelash and it's like the world is going to end," said Dyche.

Let's not give the fragile Harry Kane a chance to get up to these antics tomorrow!!! If he does ... then we need to let him know what we think ...

Everton: Sean Dyche criticises rise of gamesmanship after Harry Kane incident

Everton manager Sean Dyche says the incident between Abdoulaye Doucoure and Tottenham's Harry Kane was "a big drama over nothing".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[PeterOut]

For once, I find myself agreeing with Sean Dyche!

"Harry Kane is a great pro but some of it leaves you scratching your head."

"It was a big drama over nothing. It is worrying to me when I see the physio concussion-testing him after that. Really? Come on."

"The strange thing about football is that on one night you have a player who, in theory, is very close to getting a broken ankle and nothing is said, and another gets a broken eyelash and it's like the world is going to end," said Dyche.

Let's not give the fragile Harry Kane a chance to get up to these antics tomorrow!!! If he does ... then we need to let him know what we think ...

Everton: Sean Dyche criticises rise of gamesmanship after Harry Kane incident

Everton manager Sean Dyche says the incident between Abdoulaye Doucoure and Tottenham's Harry Kane was "a big drama over nothing".

www.bbc.co.uk

See similar comments in the Guardian's reporting of Dyche's press conference.

As ever, Dyche is good value for money in his press conference, and as is so often the case, makes very valid points. Can't say that I am such a fan of his team's tactics, but I admire the fact that he is prepared to stand up and say what he believes to be right.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/apr/06/everton-sean-dyche-spurs--harry-kane-gamesmanship

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

In any sport, particularly with high stakes, boundaries will be pushed and rules bent. For F1 the FIA are forever fining culprits and tweeking the laws. The FA and HMRC would do well to follow their lead.
Yes, I see legal tax avoidance as a sport ...

 

[Nobby]

See similar comments in the Guardian's reporting of Dyche's press conference.

As ever, Dyche is good value for money in his press conference, and as is so often the case, makes very valid points. Can't say that I am such a fan of his team's tactics, but I admire the fact that he is prepared to stand up and say what he believes to be right.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/apr/06/everton-sean-dyche-spurs--harry-kane-gamesmanship

Dyche is a hypocritcal twat

How the hell he can blather on like this - when a few years back he's defending Barton trying to knock out and then break Kayal's leg.

Tosser

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

"And that's not about being a football manager; it's just being human. If lads go down in training I do tell them to get up. I have my own authentic standards."

So they even cheat in training ! Footballers are scumbags.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Dyche is a hypocritcal twat

How the hell he can blather on like this - when a few years back he's defending Barton trying to knock out and then break Kayal's leg.

Tosser

That had nothing to do with feigning injury and is therefore not hypocritical.

 

[Icy Gull]

Dyche is a hypocritcal twat

How the hell he can blather on like this - when a few years back he's defending Barton trying to knock out and then break Kayal's leg.

Tosser

Very surprisingly, given how dirty we always thought Burnley were, I believe they had the fewest or at least one of fewest red cards the last season Dyche managed them.

 

[Nobby]

That had nothing to do with feigning injury and is therefore not hypocritical.

Fair enough

He's still a twat though!

 

[Bodian]

Very surprisingly, given how dirty we always thought Burnley were, I believe they had the fewest or at least one of fewest red cards the last season Dyche managed them.

That's because they fouled in rotation. Very cynical ploy really.

 

[Weststander]

British players/clubs didn’t cheat 35 years ago, in terms of faux injuries, screaming and parachute rolls defying physics. But it was endemic in Germany, Italy and Spain. Klinsmann and others brought it here in the 90’s, no doubt coaches too.

Watch the German’s reaction to Gazza’s infamous challenge. 19:30:



The worst thing for me is cowardly/££££ ex-players refusing to call it out. 15 years ago I recall Shearer calling it disgraceful. Now, to keep his job he trots out “Well, the challenge invited the …..”. Collymore might be the last man standing in calling cheating what it is. The others don’t want to jeopardise the gravy train.

 

[A1X]

Yeah it’s really annoying seeing teams milking the head injury rule isn’t it, Sean Dyche?

 

[maltaseagull]

See similar comments in the Guardian's reporting of Dyche's press conference.

As ever, Dyche is good value for money in his press conference, and as is so often the case, makes very valid points. Can't say that I am such a fan of his team's tactics, but I admire the fact that he is prepared to stand up and say what he believes to be right.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/apr/06/everton-sean-dyche-spurs--harry-kane-gamesmanship

If I was certain that none of his players had ever done something similar, I would have real respect for him.
Sadly, it´s always the other team at fault.

 

[Sepulveda]

For F1 the FIA are forever fining culprits and tweeking the laws

Yeah the FIA are not exactly an example to look up to given how much of a mess of things they make.

Regarding the thread in general, I don't have much to say Italian fans regularly get mad at opposing players who cheat, too, though.

I do appreciate tactical fouls or sneaky (not career-ending) micro-aggressions from defenders (like Romero pulling Cucurella's hair during the corner) much more than I appreciate diving, and I think most Italians feel the same. Defenders using "dark arts" is definitely way less despised by fans than forwards flopping to the ground. It's something that happens though, particularly in tight, high-stakes games. Not pleasant, but understandable and can have consequences - if you do it blatantly you get a yellow for simulation (or time wasting), which I think should be used more by refs.

 

[Blues Guitarist]

I do appreciate tactical fouls or sneaky (not career-ending) micro-aggressions from defenders (like Romero pulling Cucurella's hair during the corner) ...

If Sepulveda joined NSC to follow the exploits of De Zerbi, how does he know about an obscure event that happened in a Brighton match the previous season?

 

[Deleted member 37369]

The worst thing for me is cowardly/££££ ex-players refusing to call it out. 15 years ago I recall Shearer calling it disgraceful. Now, to keep his job he trots out “Well, the challenge invited the …..”. Collymore might be the last man standing in calling cheating what it is. The others don’t want to jeopardise the gravy train.

One of the (many) reasons I can't be bothered to watch any post match analysis ... except maybe when we've won and I want to see what they have to say about us and watch some of the passing moves they don't always show during the initial highlights. They just pay lip service and get rewarded for doing so!

 

[Bodian]

If Sepulveda joined NSC to follow the exploits of De Zerbi, how does he know about an obscure event that happened in a Brighton match the previous season?

Wasn't it Chelsea v Spurs this season?

 

[Blues Guitarist]

Wasn't it Chelsea v Spurs this season?

You may be right. There was a similar incident when Cucrella was playing for us, I thought he was referring to that.

 

[Sepulveda]

If Sepulveda joined NSC to follow the exploits of De Zerbi, how does he know about an obscure event that happened in a Brighton match the previous season?

It was a highly amusing episode that was shared all over social media even outside the UK; at the time I had no idea who Cucurella was (I still know him only vaguely) but it stuck with me given how funny it was, and I thought I'd mention that to you because it regards the PL

 

[B-right-on]

Gamesmanship aka cheating diving ****.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Wasn't it Chelsea v Spurs this season?

Yes