The prisoner 'trapped' 10 years into a 10-month jail sentence

[Buzzer]

To be fair Buzzer, Ken Clarke isn't your average Tory. Aside from his not nearly so nasty politics, he's a proper Jazz aficionado for starters, so he can't be all bad.
Michael Howard he certainly is not.

Agreed but nonetheless it was a policy introduced by Labour and removed by the Conservatives yet someone wants to play party politics and use this thread to have a pop at the Tories for being uncaring. How's that work?

 

[Diego Napier]

Agreed but nonetheless it was a policy introduced by Labour and removed by the Conservatives yet someone wants to play party politics and use this thread to have a pop at the Tories for being uncaring. How's that work?

I'd assumed that it was the marvellously inane comment from [MENTION=2358]Tory Boy[/MENTION] that prompted [MENTION=15579]Albumen[/MENTION] 's political post.

 

[1066familyman]

Agreed but nonetheless it was a policy introduced by Labour and removed by the Conservatives yet someone wants to play party politics and use this thread to have a pop at the Tories for being uncaring. How's that work?

Consider it default mode I suppose.

Understandable, even when we all know default mode isn't always correct.

Hence Ken Clarke is a Tory and Tony Blair led the Labour party.

 

[yxee]

Sorry, I don't get what's wrong. This man is clearly dangerous and should not be released into society.

Safety of the public is a key factor in putting someone in jail. Rehabilitation is another. Balancing the two can be difficult, but this case isn't a good example of that.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sorry, I don't get what's wrong. This man is clearly dangerous and should not be released into society.

Safety of the public is a key factor in putting someone in jail. Rehabilitation is another. Balancing the two can be difficult, but this case isn't a good example of that.

There should be a facility for secure mental hospitals where he can be treated, not a prison, where he is at risk from violent prisoners.

 

[studio150]

There should be a facility for secure mental hospitals where he can be treated, not a prison, where he is at risk from violent prisoners.

The same mental hospitals that in the past have been homes for Ronnie Kray and Charles Bronson (Salvador) who are of course a couple of meek men who wouldn't hurt a fly

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The same mental hospitals that in the past have been homes for Ronnie Kray and Charles Bronson (Salvador) who are of course a couple of meek men who wouldn't hurt a fly

Irrelevant.

 

[studio150]

Irrelevant.

So there are no violent criminals in secure mental hospitals today.

 

[Bold Seagull]

So there are no violent criminals in secure mental hospitals today.

Where they can be assessed, watched, looked after, medicated, call it what you will, by specialist professionals trained in dealing with mental health conditions. I think that is the point rather than picking out whether there are violent persons in both normal prisons, or secure mental health institutions.

 

[yxee]

There should be a facility for secure mental hospitals where he can be treated, not a prison, where he is at risk from violent prisoners.

Money should grow on trees.

Since it doesn't, we must compromise. We cannot afford to treat everyone. I personally prefer finite taxpayer money to be spend on educating the next generation.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Money should grow on trees.

Since it doesn't, we must compromise. We cannot afford to treat everyone. I personally prefer finite taxpayer money to be spend on educating the next generation.

Well, it's all linked isn't it really, society is one whole chaotic system. Does better education, better understanding of mental health conditions lead to less people in prison, less cost on that front. Cause and effect. You can't necessarily pull money out of education, out of public services as a whole and not expect there to be resulting changes thereafter. Does more money in schools, more money for youth programmes, community initiatives lead to a reduction in those turning to crime? Is that just loopy left ideology or is it a fundamental question of what society is. The dodgers and the wasters lead us to a decision making process that withdrawals help to the most vulnerable, whether in prison or not.

Surely in the interest of justice, human rights, if a person who is kept in prison beyond their sentence through their behaviour in prison, a behaviour exasperated by being in prison - is a vicious circle that in itself a poor use of public funds? If we cannot afford to treat someone as an example, can we afford to just keep that at Her Majesty's pleasure indefinitely? At some point do you say, hold on, it's going to be cheaper to sort this guy out if we can?

 

[studio150]

Where they can be assessed, watched, looked after, medicated, call it what you will, by specialist professionals trained in dealing with mental health conditions. I think that is the point rather than picking out whether there are violent persons in both normal prisons, or secure mental health institutions.

Which doesn't guarantee that a prisoner will not be attacked either by another inmate (As an example Charles Bronson was almost successful in killing child sex murderer John White) or exposed to the likes of Jimmy Saville. Also the report only mentions that the criminal only has a low IQ not that he is insane, and of course you can only be transferred if you are declared insane and sectioned. Setting your cell on fire does not mean that you are insane.

 

[Gullflyinghigh]

So there are no violent criminals in secure mental hospitals today.

...isn't that where some of them should be? There are different types of mental illness/treatement facilities after all.

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

There should be a facility for secure mental hospitals where he can be treated, not a prison, where he is at risk from violent prisoners.

**** him,the daft **** keeps trying to set fire to his cell,what do you want to do with him?get him a weekend job on a petrol forecourt!?


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[Thunder Bolt]

Which doesn't guarantee that a prisoner will not be attacked either by another inmate (As an example Charles Bronson was almost successful in killing child sex murderer John White) or exposed to the likes of Jimmy Saville. Also the report only mentions that the criminal only has a low IQ not that he is insane, and of course you can only be transferred if you are declared insane and sectioned. Setting your cell on fire does not mean that you are insane.

There is a big difference between mental ill health and insanity.

There is also a school of thought, that he may be frightened of trying to cope outside, and prefers the 'structure' of institution.