vegster
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The price of fuel is it hitting you ?
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beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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that article compares the price adjusted for inflation. what this means is that, given the massive percentage that tax has added on, oil/petrol prices have not risen anywhere near in line with inflation. that is quite interesting.
however thats speculative. its simple to test, drop a modern engine into an old car. modders do this sort of thing all the time, like say a 2000 golf mkIV 1.8T into a MKII golf, i dont believe they see such increases in mpg. modern (petrol) cars produce alot more power, not necessarily better efficency.
anyway, why is this such a hot topic? people talking about it at work, somthing in the paper and half saw it on the news. petrol has been trending flat to down for months, saw 129 the weekend.
The Auctioneer
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- Jun 24, 2011
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3.0l V6 comfort, big fuel bill, soft arse. Love it. looking to upgrade to a 5.0l asap
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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No, fortunately. I don't own a car and have no intention of doing so.
However, I do feel sorry for two groups of people:
1) Small businesses who rely on their own transport. I stress rely, not people in London who use vehicles when they could easily use the tube. More, builders, tradesman and the like.
2) People living in areas with little public transport.
There has to be a system (easy with the first) where they get a tax break on the fuel. Of course it's open to abuse, but then every form of taxation is.
Who would pay for it ?
Well using London as an example, the public transport is far from capacity during the middle of the day. Working out in West London - presumably in non congestion areas, people are out there quite happy driving their cars around for "leisure" purposes. Very angry builder on the radio today talking about people clogging up the roads in London when he is trying to work. He simplified the argument, but generally I agreed with everything he said.
However, I do feel sorry for two groups of people:
1) Small businesses who rely on their own transport. I stress rely, not people in London who use vehicles when they could easily use the tube. More, builders, tradesman and the like.
2) People living in areas with little public transport.
There has to be a system (easy with the first) where they get a tax break on the fuel. Of course it's open to abuse, but then every form of taxation is.
Who would pay for it ?
Well using London as an example, the public transport is far from capacity during the middle of the day. Working out in West London - presumably in non congestion areas, people are out there quite happy driving their cars around for "leisure" purposes. Very angry builder on the radio today talking about people clogging up the roads in London when he is trying to work. He simplified the argument, but generally I agreed with everything he said.
Captain Sensible
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It's a massive tax hike, just when we need growth. Cameron told EU leaders to invest in growth to get out of the Euro mess, but he's allowing growth to be killed with this duty rise. Sort it out Cameron!!
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Has it been mentioned ? Not really one to comment, as I haven't got a car but apparently....
The real cost of owning and running a car (all factors taken into account) has actually decreased 20%. It's just than the most visible cost petrol has increased massively.
The real scandal is the price of public transport.
The real cost of owning and running a car (all factors taken into account) has actually decreased 20%. It's just than the most visible cost petrol has increased massively.
The real scandal is the price of public transport.
Chicken Runner61
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- May 20, 2007
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I don't think Public Transport will ever be "cheap" Unless they make the safety factors in private transport the same as in public transport it will always be cheaper to have your own transport.
I suspect a bus or train journey crammed packed with passengers is still more expensive per head than one person going the same distance in a car. The Bus or train station, the servicing, the safety checks and equipment, the wages of the driver will always be more than the cost to run a car unless they artificially hike of the costs.
And if they ever do force everyone to use Public transport by outlawing the car no one will want to use it and everyone will use some form of bicycle transport like China had and then moan like F*** coz they will crash into each other!
Personally I walk to work and 95% of the time use public transport when visiting sites/clients etc, but yes of course increased fuel costs are hitting me. There is an incredibly short-sighted view, held by very blinkered Greens who as usual haven't thought things through, that petrol is 'too cheap' and that if it were £5 a litre no one would drive and the planet would be saved. Increased fuel affects everybody as the costs are always passed on to us, the punters (literally) at the end of the food chain. That's if we can afford to use the buses to get to the shops.
My wife's a bit out of pocket as the NHS never raise the mileage payments (she's a district nurse) as fuel goes up and she always ends up spending more on fuel than she can claim back.
My wife's a bit out of pocket as the NHS never raise the mileage payments (she's a district nurse) as fuel goes up and she always ends up spending more on fuel than she can claim back.
Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews
Remainer
Don't understand your problem, I only put twenty quids worth in, I haven't seen a price increase since I first did that in 1997
jakarta
Well-known member
First 10,000 miles was increased by HMRC to 45p per mile this year, subsequent mileage 25p per mile, sadly I do around 25,000 miles per year
mikeyjh
Well-known member
You have a point, of course - We need to be slightly less extreme to get people to see the light. The problem is that people don't stop and think before they use the car, it's the default action, which is what ends up with people living nowhere near whey they work, where the kids go to school etc etc.
I know people who drive, from Brighton, to places like Twickenham for the rugby or Wembley for gigs etc. A mate of mine got tickets for rugby in Paris, his dad drove 3 hours down to here, they then drove to Paris, took them about 14 hours to get back afterwards, cue moaning about taking hours to get out of car park etc etc. Never even considered getting the train. That's the thinking that has to change.
This.
Simpleton,you really do come over as a smug smart a--e of the worst kind.
Seagull over Canaryland
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I use my push bike as much as possible and am thinking of getting a Honda scooter that does 150mpg to help manage my fuel bills. Its not just the cost of diesel but reckon we will have to pay around £1000 next time we top up our heating oil too. Eeeek.
On the other hand my brother just bought an older range Rover with a 4.6 litre V8 engine.........handy for the winter months but he must be completely barking when it comes to the fuel costs. It does have an LPG conversion though, trouble is there is only one LPG retailer for miles around.
On the other hand my brother just bought an older range Rover with a 4.6 litre V8 engine.........handy for the winter months but he must be completely barking when it comes to the fuel costs. It does have an LPG conversion though, trouble is there is only one LPG retailer for miles around.
Uncle C
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We are in the business of reducing the deficit. The fuel increase brings in several extra billion. If it doesn't go on fuel they will raise it elsewhere and some other group of people will be moaning. Nobody said it would be easy.
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slimes
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where does all our tax go?? (fuel increase brings in several billions) I dont see a penny
road tax money? the roads around cheltenham are so bad (pot hole city)its not safe to ride a bike or motorcycle! having passed an accident scene last night with a moped involved.
Tho whilst watching the royal wedding ( i was more interested in how the roads looks so great in london) than the actual wedding itself!
road tax money? the roads around cheltenham are so bad (pot hole city)its not safe to ride a bike or motorcycle! having passed an accident scene last night with a moped involved.
Tho whilst watching the royal wedding ( i was more interested in how the roads looks so great in london) than the actual wedding itself!
Leekbrookgull
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The cost of public transport like you say is a disgrace in 2003 the journey from the edge of Leek into the town centre was 40p the same journey today is £1.90 the best part of a 500% increase how can anyone justify that ? Don't even start on 'walk-on' train fares.
vegster
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- May 5, 2008
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First 10,000 miles was increased by HMRC to 45p per mile this year, subsequent mileage 25p per mile, sadly I do around 25,000 miles per year
So, Unleaded goes from 85 p a litre to about £1.35 and the tax allowance goes up 3p ..... how happy am I ?