Statman Dave was discussing inswingers vs outswingers and the % chance of scoring was something like 1.75 one way and 2.1 the other. Something like that. Not as high as 4.
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[Albion] The Policy For Attacking Corners
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Statman Dave was discussing inswingers vs outswingers and the % chance of scoring was something like 1.75 one way and 2.1 the other. Something like that. Not as high as 4.
Nobby Cybergoat
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And the stats of goals from corners usually only include the first contact from a corner taker, so always look at the detail of those.
All the similar stats I've seen will discount goals where there has been a front post flick on, or a bungled clearance, or a nod down and a scramble or a second ball after the keeper saves it.
A decent number of penalties arise from corners as well. Corners also lead to other corners, which gives you another chance for the above to happen.
The bottom line is, more goals come from corners than statistics you might read suggest. But the classic, Watto cross , Zamora head. 1-0, don't make up the bulk of the goals.
All the similar stats I've seen will discount goals where there has been a front post flick on, or a bungled clearance, or a nod down and a scramble or a second ball after the keeper saves it.
A decent number of penalties arise from corners as well. Corners also lead to other corners, which gives you another chance for the above to happen.
The bottom line is, more goals come from corners than statistics you might read suggest. But the classic, Watto cross , Zamora head. 1-0, don't make up the bulk of the goals.
keaton
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From the Athletic in Oct
In the past 10 Premier League seasons, 3.4 per cent of corners resulted in a goal. So far this season, we are slightly above average at 4 per cent. In fact, last weekend, six teams in separate matches scored goals from a corner. Arsenal, Southampton, Newcastle, Watford, Brentford and West Ham all profited while Chelsea also won a penalty from a corner, which they converted.
A percentage of 3.4 may seem small but in Paul Power’s 2018 paper “Mythbusting set pieces in soccer”, which was based on three seasons of Premier League data looking at 12,000 corners and 3,600 free kicks, it revealed teams are actually more likely to score from set pieces (1.8 per cent) than from a normal open-play possession (1.1 per cent).
Just play it short and get it back in play. Teams are more likely to score from that.
This idea that we have two men at the corner to disguise whether it’s an inswinger or outswinger is no good.
1) footballers are rubbish at disguising anything
2) it’s always a crap corner no matter which way it swings.
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This idea that we have two men at the corner to disguise whether it’s an inswinger or outswinger is no good.
1) footballers are rubbish at disguising anything
2) it’s always a crap corner no matter which way it swings.
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Nobby Cybergoat
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I think having a left footer and a right footer over a corner or free kick is a good idea. You can create real uncertainty about where the defence should be positioning themselves.
However, we are gash at it. When we have two people stood over a corner, the non taker, makes no effort whatever to look like they are preparing to take a corner. It's entirely obvious to all what is about to happen. What do they do in training all week?
As someone who frequently reads other teams forums... every season, somewhere between 19-20 teams (sometimes there is a West Ham) apparently have a serious problem with both their attacking and defensive corners. The idea that the issue may be in people's silly expectations is rarely mentioned...
keaton
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Possibly, but some will be right. In 2018-19 we were second in the league and scored from 6.8% of our corners so it's a skill we've lost. Despite the fact that we still have March, Gross, Duffy Dunk and upto a few weeks ago Burn.
It goes up and down a lot. In one of the CH seasons (dont remember which) Brighton scored a lot of corner goals, in the other fewer than most. Despite a similar set of players.
This season Shane Duffy has the third most headed attempts out of any PL CB despite playing a lot less than anyone else in the top 10 of that category. If just two more of them finds the net, the stats would look a lot different. Yeah I know that "if" doesnt count - but it shows how small the margins are.
Machiavelli
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Very good point well made.
The numbers are low, though, which was my point. If I went down the pub and my mate offered me a choice of 0.5%, 1 % or 2% of a pint, I'd be nonplussed. If these were the odds of catching a fish per minute in 3 lakes, however, I'd be prepared to spend a bit of time at lake 3.
Last time I looked, the numbers were about 3%. Obviously some teams (eg West Ham: 4-5%?) are better than others.
Machiavelli
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It would have been our second season in the PL, when Duffy got five(?) goals, all from set pieces. In our first PL season, Duffy was utterly rubbish at directing the ball on target, despite winning countless headers. As others have said, we've got a fair few goals from corners of late (Burn, Webster x2)