[News] The police.. and not the one with Sting in it

[Westdene Seagull]

When I was a teenager a copper headbutted a friend for absolutely no reason, seems OP wants to go back to the police being able to be just bully and beat without scrutiny or consequences.

Bring back Gene Hunt !*




*Obviously a tongue in cheek comment before anyone gets their knickers in twist.

 

[nevergoagain]

"I haven’t heard about his injuries".................cyst on the brain, apparently

Can cysts form from a trauma injury that quickly ?, genuine question, I thought they developed over a period of time.

 

[martin tyler]

The clearly isn’t any acceptable reason the person involved has broken a police officers nose. To that extent he should be charged.

The police officer is in a role where he needs to follow the letter of the law unfortunately and not inflict his own revenge.

The man on the floor has been tasered is not a threat at this point and his inflicted a very nasty assault.

If we did that in the street we would most likely go to prison for GBH and you could easily kill someone with those actions.

Andy Burnham who seems a resealable and well thought of member of society said there is more to the incident as well so would be interesting to see the 10 seconds before but that short clip just shows a person who has lost his temper and behaving in a thuggish manner.

 

[marlowe]

I believe he was an armed officer too which is an added concern that someone with so little self control is in charge of a firearm.

 

[Mackenzie]

I thought the stamp on the head was a bit too much.

 

[marlowe]

Can cysts form from a trauma injury that quickly ?, genuine question, I thought they developed over a period of time.

It would be rather ironic if the cyst was malignant and had laid undiscovered for some time and it was only this incident which had led to its discovery just in the nick of time and ultimately saved his life.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It looks like we have seen part of the story. I believe requests for footage (CCTV or personal) for what happened before the published footage have been published and this, if available, can only add to the information used in all corresponding court cases.

However, whatever has happened previously would have to be pretty extreme to justify the stamping on the head of a person who doesn't appear to be resisting and the rest of the video that has been published.

Being the age I am, I can remember when there was no 'real' evidence in these sort of cases beyond two diametrically opposed statements.

I am far more confident that a case like this in 2024 will result in the correct conclusion than in 1976

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

 

[Littlemo]

My guess is that the "victim" is the one who broke the Policewoman's nose and that her colleague was exacting retribution on her behalf. Completely and utterly wrong for a trained firearms officer to lose control and act in this manner, but something obviously triggered it.

Well I don’t want to take the word of a Twitter journalist for it but apparently he wasn’t the one who assaulted her.

 

[sparkie]

Kicking someone on the ground in the head is hardly "Protect and Serve" ( as some US police departments use in their mottos ).

Grim.

Throw the book at that rogue officer.

 

[allystrat]

I thought the stamp on the head was a bit too much.

Agree. Unfortunately though as a result we are now seeing the scumbag perpetrators being portrayed as the victims (and no doubt a compensation claim).

 

[Justice]

I watched the video and there are a few others on X filmed before the head kicking incident.

All of the Police look totally out of control in that incident, a female officer is just running about shouting get back and achieving absolutely nothing. When her colleague kicked the man in the head she covered her face as in WTF have you just done, she knew then it was going to be a shit storm.

The guy who received the kick in the head then gets a knee in the back from another copper for no apparent reason other than he is also out of control.

Had they swiftly zip tied hands and feet the incident would have been over within minutes.
IMO they look like amateurs not trained professionals who should stay calm in tense situations.

We’ve seen it all before with the newspaper seller in London taking control of a situation in a professional manner is sadly lacking in the police force.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I watched the video and there are a few others on X filmed before the head kicking incident.

All of the Police look totally out of control in that incident, a female officer is just running about shouting get back and achieving absolutely nothing. When her colleague kicked the man in the head she covered her face as in WTF have you just done, she knew then it was going to be a shit storm.

The guy who received the kick in the head then gets a knee in the back from another cooper for no apparent reason other than he is also out of control.

Had they swiftly zip tied hands and feet the incident would have been over within minutes.
IMO they look like amateurs not trained professionals who should stay calm in tense situations.

Just seen on where they have identified the suspect and then pepper spray him straight away and take him down to the ground, is that normal?

 

[The Fifth Column]

As someone recently retired from a long career in the police I'm going to weigh in with my two pence worth.

Taken in isolation the clip (and I emphasise the word 'clip') looks horrible and provokes outrage and disbelief. However, none of us know the full context of what happened. The key point being was it a lawful and justifiable use of force? Maybe and maybe not, we don't know. By all accounts the police had been attacked by these persons and seeing as they are armed officers (at least some of those in the clip are) perhaps one of those on the ground decided it would be a good idea to reach for one of the coppers guns? I'm not saying that happened but if that was the case or if the cop thought it might happen then that could represent a lethal threat and tasering and a few swift kicks to the head could be justified quite easily in those circumstances as a reasonable response to a potentially lethal threat. Of course there is equally the same chance that the cop in question has not been subject to any such threat and may well have been fighting with the suspects beforehand and just seen red mist, overreacted and lost his shit in the heat of the incident. Its easily done unfortunately even with the best training when someone attacks you your base instincts take over and it can be difficult to maintain any form of control especially when there are multiple assailants.

God knows I've been attacked and fought with dozens of people over the years when I was a cop and no amount of training fully prepares you for the real thing. Learning all the Carlos Fandango fancy take-down moves, restraint methods etc in the comfort of a police gymnasium when play fighting your colleagues bears no resemblance to the real thing. When it happens what usually occurs is you grab hold of anything you can and kick, punch and claw at the person with the same amount of force they are using and more in order to win the fight and get control so you can successfully restrain them. It is often very unpleasant to witness, a complete clusterfuck of arms, legs and colourful language and somewhere in amongst it all there will be various elements of what you learned in training that gave you enough of an advantage to come out on top. In the aftermath every use of force has to be written up and submitted for scrutiny and over the years I saw many examples of colleagues sanctioned or even prosecuted and dismissed for excessive use of force. Certainly there are plenty of cops that like a good rumble and I know a fair few who were/are a little too excited and enthusiastic when it came to using force , I even experienced 'red mist' descend on me a few times when it all kicked off and I think its a human reaction you cannot fully stop even with regular training.

 

[Littlemo]

As someone recently retired from a long career in the police I'm going to weigh in with my two pence worth.

Taken in isolation the clip (and I emphasise the word 'clip') looks horrible and provokes outrage and disbelief. However, none of us know the full context of what happened. The key point being was it a lawful and justifiable use of force? Maybe and maybe not, we don't know. By all accounts the police had been attacked by these persons and seeing as they are armed officers (at least some of those in the clip are) perhaps one of those on the ground decided it would be a good idea to reach for one of the coppers guns? I'm not saying that happened but if that was the case or if the cop thought it might happen then that could represent a lethal threat and tasering and a few swift kicks to the head could be justified quite easily in those circumstances as a reasonable response to a potentially lethal threat. Of course there is equally the same chance that the cop in question has not been subject to any such threat and may well have been fighting with the suspects beforehand and just seen red mist, overreacted and lost his shit in the heat of the incident. Its easily done unfortunately even with the best training when someone attacks you your base instincts take over and it can be difficult to maintain any form of control especially when there are multiple assailants.

God knows I've been attacked and fought with dozens of people over the years when I was a cop and no amount of training fully prepares you for the real thing. Learning all the Carlos Fandango fancy take-down moves, restraint methods etc in the comfort of a police gymnasium when play fighting your colleagues bears no resemblance to the real thing. When it happens what usually occurs is you grab hold of anything you can and kick, punch and claw at the person with the same amount of force they are using and more in order to win the fight and get control so you can successfully restrain them. It is often very unpleasant to witness, a complete clusterfuck of arms, legs and colourful language and somewhere in amongst it all there will be various elements of what you learned in training that gave you enough of an advantage to come out on top. In the aftermath every use of force has to be written up and submitted for scrutiny and over the years I saw many examples of colleagues sanctioned or even prosecuted and dismissed for excessive use of force. Certainly there are plenty of cops that like a good rumble and I know a fair few who were/are a little too excited and enthusiastic when it came to using force , I even experienced 'red mist' descend on me a few times when it all kicked off and I think its a human reaction you cannot fully stop even with regular training.

Why are they armed? Is it really necessary in the UK?

If carrying a weapon has issues around safety (that they can be grabbed etc) when carrying out general policing, then why are they carrying them?

 

[The Fifth Column]

Mad said above, there is

Why are they armed? Is it really necessary in the UK?

If carrying a weapon has issues around safety (that they can be grabbed etc) when carrying out general policing, then why are they carrying them?

Armed police are commonplace at airports, they respond to incidents like any other police officer if they are the only unit available. Although in my experience they rarely responded to anything unless it had any form of glory written all over it or a colleague put in a shout for assistance, we left crayons out for them to 'write' up their statements..

 

[crodonilson]

Have I missed something here, apologies If I have but are you saying the airport attack was racist or there's something else I've not read about?.

Yes, there was an element of racism involved, not for the first time with the police.

 

[Littlemo]

Armed police are commonplace at airports, they respond to incidents like any other police officer if they are the only unit available. Although in my experience they rarely responded to anything unless it had any form of glory written all over it or a colleague put in a shout for assistance, we left crayons out for them to 'write' up their statements..

I must admit I’ve never seen them at work at any UK airport but perhaps they weren’t needed. Tbf there’s f*** all ever happens when I go to the airport.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Fortunately he was in the UK , in some countries he would have been shot dead.

Shot dead? He would have been lucky. In some places they would of skinned him alive first, and then made him eat his own testackles.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Quite the opposite by all accounts. But the point remains regardless. All reasonable force should be used in an arrest. Not thuggery.

Indeed, however, my sympathy meter for the guy in question is flickering on low if he was being a complete twat. Even if PC Letsfuckingaveit is on duty most of us manage to navigate an airport without getting our heads kicked in.

Playing up in an airport is asking for trouble even if the reaction to whatever he did was completely over the top.