[News] The police.. and not the one with Sting in it

[kevo]

You are right, and giving the police the nod to show criminals what for is a slippery slope/ disaster waiting to happen. Naive to think otherwise.
That said, when watching the new Manc Airport footage in context i find it hard not to feel sympathy for the male copper (If he loses his career) and little sympathy for the man who punched the female coppers.

Agreed. It is perhaps understandable he reacted in the way he did, but that's no excuse as they have to exercise restraint.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Meanwhile in Manchester, a radical group of protesters shouting whatever they like and causing criminal damage to Greater Manchester police station by throwing things at the windows etc. No arrests. In fact no police presence, unless you include hiding inside the station. Two tier policing.

But no comment on a radical group of protesters in London yesterday?

 

[kevo]

But no comment on a radical group of protesters in London yesterday?

Some of whom assaulted the police.

 

[martin tyler]

Having seen the CCTV footage released yesterday. I don’t believe he did break the law. My opinion is there was a significant enough threat to use appropriate force. Especially in this case, at an international airport

Threat is an interesting word to describe someone who has been tasered. It completely incapacitates you. Let’s be honest the 2 involved from a non police prospective should most likely go to prison there actions are out of order and no emergency service employee should be subjected to such attacks.
However at the point he’s not a threat and incapacitated there is no reasonable excuse to kick and stamp on someone’s head. Self defence allows you to use reasonable force to that being used against you.
A stamp to the head could easily kill at the times he’s done it I don’t believe the male on the floor is a risk to anyone’s life.
I feel sorry for him to a point but he’s lost the plot and the police lost control of the incident in general.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Some of whom assaulted the police.

Who on earth wants the world they are after?

 

[Chicken Run]

Personally, I don't just do as I am told depending on what a bloke is wearing. I have had plenty of Police Officers make demands of me they have no right to expect me to comply with, and if they do it aggressively or disrespectfully, I don't do it.

Yet somehow in my 55 years i can honestly say I’ve never had a situation where a Police Officer has made any unreasonable demands of me or be aggressive in any way I guess you move in different circles to me

 

[Chicken Run]

Some of whom assaulted the police.

Start a thread and post a video and we can comment on it i guess, i know from past discussions with you that you don’t trust the Police due to their behaviour

 

[kevo]

Start a thread and post a video and we can comment on it i guess, i know from past discussions with you that you don’t trust the Police due to their behaviour

Really?

 

[kevo]

Start a thread and post a video and we can comment on it i guess, i know from past discussions with you that you don’t trust the Police due to their behaviour

All nice law-abiding folk who love our police officers, I'm sure

 

[Baldseagull]

Yet somehow in my 55 years i can honestly say I’ve never had a situation where a Police Officer has made any unreasonable demands of me or be aggressive in any way I guess you move in different circles to me

Two most recent examples were an officer telling me to pour my drink away outside Brighton station, he seemed to believe street drinking was prohibited, it isn't in Brighton. And an Officer demanding I identify myself, he had stopped me because I was running for a train, and thought I was running from one of his colleagues. Have you never had a can of lager on the street, or ran for a train?

 

[mikeyjh]

All nice law-abiding folk who love our police officers, I'm sure

Makes you bristle with pride doesn't it

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Let's be honest the country is full of degenerate scumbags and things are only going to get worse.

 

[Chicken Run]

All nice law-abiding folk who love our police officers, I'm sure

Scum bags

 

[The Clamp]

Two most recent examples were an officer telling me to pour my drink away outside Brighton station, he seemed to believe street drinking was prohibited, it isn't in Brighton. And an Officer demanding I identify myself, he had stopped me because I was running for a train, and thought I was running from one of his colleagues. Have you never had a can of lager on the street, or ran for a train?

Public Spaces Protection Order Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014​

Please be aware that alcohol restrictions apply in Brighton & Hove

In order to prevent public nuisance and disorder, Brighton & Hove is subject to a Public Spaces Protection Order restricting alcohol consumption.

If you are asked to stop drinking or hand over alcohol by a police officer or an authorised person and, without reasonable excuse, you:

• continue to drink alcohol, and/or
• fail to hand over any container (sealed or unsealed) believed to contain alcohol

You may be liable for prosecution and, on conviction, a fine of up to £500.


This is intended to be applied sensibly.

ie picnickers or drinks on the beach are not going to be prevented.

Unusual for an officer to just approach someone and take their alcohol away without cause or reason but it’s not unbelievable, I suppose.

 

[Baldseagull]

Public Spaces Protection Order Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014​

Please be aware that alcohol restrictions apply in Brighton & Hove

In order to prevent public nuisance and disorder, Brighton & Hove is subject to a Public Spaces Protection Order restricting alcohol consumption.

If you are asked to stop drinking or hand over alcohol by a police officer or an authorised person and, without reasonable excuse, you:

• continue to drink alcohol, and/or
• fail to hand over any container (sealed or unsealed) believed to contain alcohol

You may be liable for prosecution and, on conviction, a fine of up to £500.


This is intended to be applied sensibly.

ie picnickers or drinks on the beach are not going to be prevented.

Unusual for an officer to just approach someone and take their alcohol away without cause or reason but it’s not unbelievable, I suppose.

PSPO restrictions are in association with anti social behaviour, there isn't a blanket ban on drinking in Public, as there are in some areas.
I was alone and finishing the can of lager I had on the train, by the bins outside the Station, before I went on to the pub, in no way was I a nuisance to anyone. I asked the officer why, and he said you can't drink on the street in Brighton, so I said that wasn't true, I am going to finish it and put it in the bin, he turned away, and I finished my can and put it in the bin.
Its similar to an Officer demanding I give him my name, unless they suspect you of breaching an ASBO, they have no right to just stop you and demand you identify yourself, and they should tell you if they are using any special powers that don't usually apply.

 

[Chicken Run]

PSPO restrictions are in association with anti social behaviour, there isn't a blanket ban on drinking in Public, as there are in some areas.
I was alone and finishing the can of lager I had on the train, by the bins outside the Station, before I went on to the pub, in no way was I a nuisance to anyone. I asked the officer why, and he said you can't drink on the street in Brighton, so I said that wasn't true, I am going to finish it and put it in the bin, he turned away, and I finished my can and put it in the bin.
Its similar to an Officer demanding I give him my name, unless they suspect you of breaching an ASBO, they have no right to just stop you and demand you identify yourself, and they should tell you if they are using any special powers that don't usually apply.

I bet you love the auditing channels on You Tube

 

[faoileán]

All nice law-abiding folk who love our police officers, I'm sure

Those EDL types are such a bunch of ignorant tw@ts...

 

[Baldseagull]

I bet you love the auditing channels on You Tube

Not really, some of those types of videos are informative, but a lot of them are just annoying pricks being annoying pricks.
I think it's worth knowing what your rights are though, and standing up for them, when it happens that someone oversteps their authority.

 

[Bodian]

Having seen the CCTV footage released yesterday. I don’t believe he did break the law. My opinion is there was a significant enough threat to use appropriate force. Especially in this case, at an international airport

Thing is, he was tasered and incapacitated at the time. Threat gone.

In an analogy, the law says that if a dog is worrying sheep, and the only way of stopping it is to shoot it - then if the farmer shoots it, he will be able to defend himself against any prosecution. A dog was worrying sheep on a farm up our way - the owner called him and he ran back to owner and sat down. At which point the farmer then shot it. Obviously, it was no longer worrying the sheep and was under control. The farmer had no defence, as he had no right to retrospectively shoot the dog, no matter what it had done.

PC had no right to kick an incapacitated person in the head - regardless of what that person had done.

It's funny what people see. It's like a penalty decision, from two different sets of supporters.
To me, I see a guy being approached from behind and immediately manhandled, an officer tries to him put into a head lock and tries to force him down, his brother then grabs the headlock officers arm, as I think I might if someone is rough handling my brother, and that officer then throws the first punch, it gets messy. The approach from the police was shit and anyone would be somewhat resistant, to being grabbed and restrained from behind.
Unless they personally witnessed him assaulting someone else prior, I don't think it's reasonable to try and take him down for not immediately complying when grabbed from behind.
It might help if audio emerges, hope they all had their body cams on.

Yes - the initial approach and manhandling will presumably be looked at.

 

[arfer guinness]

A number of comments on this thread have related to the Tommy Robinson rally yesterday at Trafalgar Square stereotyping everyone who attended. At 70 years old my curiosity got the better of me and for the first time I attended one of these rallies. I did not witness any of the altercations described here, I'm not saying they didn't happen but also remember the wonderful Sadiq Khan, who, in his wisdom, permitted a left wing march by Jeremy Corbin to conclude in Whitehall yards from the Tommy Robinson rally. On the way down The Strand I heard a few insults being thrown at the marchers, many marchers shouted "don't rise to the bait" presumably this is a regular occurrence. At Trafalgar Square I saw no trouble and the police had a very relaxed afternoon. Much is made of the nine arrests, which group are they all from? Obviously, anyone who didn't attend wouldn't know what was said by the speakers on the stage. There was a strong anti Islam feeling concerning people arriving on dinghies and receiving food, clothing, accommodation and medical care when our own, especially former servicemen are forced to sleep rough, this is a divided subject. There were also other speakers who were anti covid vaccine, these I didn't agree with as I feel we all had a choice. One other speaker particularly got my attention was a lady who was raped at the age of 16, the religion of her attacker is not relevant. On his release he was permitted full access to the child as he is the father, does anyone think this is right. As I say I am not a knuckle dragging moron, just much the same of the majority attending, all ages, both sexes, and believe it or not all colours and religions.