[News] The police.. and not the one with Sting in it

[drew]

It absolutely could be reasonable if there was a threat to someone's life and the law is quite clear on that. I'm absolutely not saying that was the case here but I witnessed far more serious uses of force than that which were completely justified in a court of law.

I once had to deal with a guy trying to strangle his mother, he was on top of her at the bottom of a flight of stairs and he wouldn't let go or stop and she was losing consciousness. Long before the days of tasers, I pepper sprayed him to no effect and ended up hitting him with my Police baton at least 8 or 9 times across his naked torso, back and arms, I was running out.of options and was just about to smash him In the head with the baton to stop him killing her when thankfully he gave up. So yeah there totally could be many situations in which kicking someone to the head could be justified.

We are not talking about other situations, we are discussing what is in this video. What happened in the moments before is to a large degree, irrelevant. The man was on the floor, face down. The officer then approaches him, stamps on his head and then kicks him in the head. To offer a comparison is like saying in the theatre of war, you and the enemy are shooting at each other but then they surrender. However, as they were shooting at you 20 minutes ago you're entitled to shoot them.

 

[Napper]

I hope this season players are forced to take 2 knees as a sign of respect

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

More detail being reported. The two brothers were there to meet their elderly mother on a flight. There was an argument on the plane, which later led to a baggage trolley being rammed into the mother. The two brothers then had a fight with the male passenger, which the police were then involved with.

Mother was 'rammed with trolley' triggering airport violence

Brothers confronted man who had argued with their mother on flight before pushing trolley into her, it is claimed

www.standard.co.uk

Need more detail still baggage trolleys hitting people seems a regular event, was it rammed or rolled, was she elderly or just a standard teenage mum 50s .
They way it's written seem headline catching.
I just want to know more and see more, personally.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Need more detail still baggage trolleys hitting people seems a regular event, was it rammed or rolled, was she elderly or just a standard teenage mum 50s .
They way it's written seem headline catching.
I just want to know more and see more, personally.

As do I. Somehow I‘ve managed to negotiate airports without ever being hit by a baggage trolley.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You wouldn't just go and post stuff without checking now would you........ because that would be mad.


Ah.......deleted now.


You silly sausage.

He's only been on NSC a short while and doesn't know the ropes yet.

But feel sufficiently entitled already to gob off with claptrap at the drop of a hat.

What a guy

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

More detail being reported. The two brothers were there to meet their elderly mother on a flight. There was an argument on the plane, which later led to a baggage trolley being rammed into the mother. The two brothers then had a fight with the male passenger, which the police were then involved with.

Mother was 'rammed with trolley' triggering airport violence

Brothers confronted man who had argued with their mother on flight before pushing trolley into her, it is claimed

www.standard.co.uk

Puts a rather different slant on the events that 'led up' to the assault by the policeman.

But I'll stand but what I and others have said. The events leading up to the assault by the policeman have no bearing on how he behaved.

I said that when it was being insinuated (backed up by 30 p Lee who applauded the policeman who attacked the passenger) that the young men were responsible.

(I am beginning now to see why 30 Lee's comments have been given so much publicity in the media. Could it be that reporters suspected this was yet more bollocks from the oaf that will come back to haunt him? We shall never know.)

 

[The Clamp]

The sort of dickhead that kicks off against armed police could likely do with a bit of sense knocked into them.

No sympathy. Move on.

 

[DJ NOBO]

And after they've taken you down, you should expect a kick in the face?

Racism played part in police kick incident at Manchester airport, says former senior officer

Former Met chief superintendent Dal Babu says footage of man being kicked in face by officer is ‘totally appalling’

www.theguardian.com

As a means to prove skin colour had anything to do with what happened , this is a weak article

 

[Thunder Bolt]

As a means to prove skin colour had anything to do with what happened , this is a weak article

It was mentioned in the article I posted about the mother. She was racially abused as well.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

It was mentioned in the article I posted about the mother. She was racially abused as well.

The claims were it was a racist attack by the policeman

There is no proof this was the case, much how the lads lawyer (and others) are trying to spin it

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The claims were it was a racist attack by the policeman

There is no proof this was the case, much how the lads lawyer (and others) are trying to spin it

Claims by the press unsurprisingly.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Claims by the press unsurprisingly.

And his lawyer, there was no need for him to mention George Floyd, completely irrelevant

 

[The Fifth Column]

We are not talking about other situations, we are discussing what is in this video. What happened in the moments before is to a large degree, irrelevant. The man was on the floor, face down. The officer then approaches him, stamps on his head and then kicks him in the head. To offer a comparison is like saying in the theatre of war, you and the enemy are shooting at each other but then they surrender. However, as they were shooting at you 20 minutes ago you're entitled to shoot them.

Sorry are you now in charge of what we can and cannot discuss or post on this thread? You don't get to dictate to me what I may or may not discuss or what the rules are in relation to staying on or off topic or anything in between, you've missed all my points completely because you're convinced you are right about everything. If I want to have an opinion, comment on something I have vast experience in or otherwise post something you don't like or agree with that's how the Internet generally works son and frankly you can do one. I respect and acknowledge your opinion on this and expect the same in return, since you can't do that you'll be ignored.

 

[Bakero]

As a means to prove skin colour had anything to do with what happened , this is a weak article

It was the first article with video that came up after I searched following the mysterious OP.

 

[drew]

Sorry are you now in charge of what we can and cannot discuss or post on this thread? You don't get to dictate to me what I may or may not discuss or what the rules are in relation to staying on or off topic or anything in between, you've missed all my points completely because you're convinced you are right about everything. If I want to have an opinion, comment on something I have vast experience in or otherwise post something you don't like or agree with that's how the Internet generally works son and frankly you can do one. I respect and acknowledge your opinion on this and expect the same in return, since you can't do that you'll be ignored.

Blimey, bit tetchy!!

For the record, I'm not in charge of debate. I was however responding to your first post which seemed to be all about trying to possibly justify the level of violence used by the officer on the basis that we had only seen a short 'clip' and that we didn't therefore know the context! I'm pretty sure, judging by all the other posters, that the vast majority condemn the violence used irrespective of what may or may not have gone on before. And I'll say again, whatever went on before is no justification for that officer dishing out that sort of violence. At the moment he does that, no other officer is within arms reach of the man on the floor so there is no weapon that he is reaching for.

Now, you may well have used proportionate force in other incidents under different circumstances but with all due respect, that is irrelevant to making a decision/forming an opinion on this incident, unless of course at some point you kicked someone in the head and stamped on them on the basis you thought it was proportionate! I do however hope not.

 

[sakooshi]

Sorry but you cannot condone the police in this instance and ANOTHER racist attack from them too.

Why do you assume it's racially motivated?

 

[POSKETT AT THE VALLEY]

I’ll send an SOS to the world

 

[hans kraay fan club]

And his lawyer, there was no need for him to mention George Floyd, completely irrelevant

What did he say?

In terms of both incidents involving dangerous and disproportionate force by a police officer, after the point at which a suspect had been subdued - he’d have a point.

Any other move to conflate the two cases would seem unhelpful, I agree.

 

[Justice]

Take away the kick and the stamp - then there would be no reporting just a normal day in the life of policewoman injured in the line of duty.

What do you mean here? The fact is he did kick the man’s head in and then stamped on it, you can’t just take it away.

The policeman involved sparked the debate with his violence. Hopefully he will never have another day in the line of duty.

 

[ChickenBaltiPie]

You can clearly see all you need to see in that clip! Regardless of what may or may not have happened prior, the man is as good as restrained already, otherwise the officer wouldn’t have been able to kick him like that. It simply wasn’t required, so it certainly wasn’t reasonable or justified. No one was in any immediate subsequent danger from the guy. He wasn’t holding any kind of weapon or even within arm’s reach of any potential victim.

(Assuming hypothetically that their crimes are comparable) The officer should IMO face charges more severe than those the ‘criminal’ (should he be proven guilty of any prior assault) he kicked may face! The actions of our police should be held to a higher standard than the criminals they have the power to arrest. They are not above the law, our laws apply to them too. If they wish to uphold the law then they need to demonstrate the required degree of restraint and respect for it.

All that said, if a bloke broke the nose of a female friend of mine, I could see myself sufficiently losing all restraint, being overcome with rage and kicking him in the head. The police are only human, like the rest of us, they should no less face the circumstances of their actions however. Both are true.

Was it morally wrong? Debatable. Was it legal? Absolutely not!