The OFFICIAL *** Maggie Funeral Thread ***

[SK1NT]

That (American grand-daughter) reminds me -
One thing I do wonder, given that (at least according to her fans on here) Mrs T apparently transformed Britain and made it great again, is why all her children and grandchildren choose to live somewhere else?

The weather?

 

[maltaseagull]

I hope we can avoid lots of mud slinging, however I had little respect for the woman during her time as PM so empathise with those angry that this is happening in the heart of the capital. I'd rather the woman had chosen a private funeral rather than this rather public spectacle.[/QUOTE

Not sure if anyone asked her.

 

[maltaseagull]

One funeral is enough for me today RIP my Mum

Condolences to you and yours.

 

[maltaseagull]

have they announced who's going to be driving the stake through her heart, just in case?

You dick!

 

[maltaseagull]

That's rich coming from someone who has publicly stated that they hope to see some peaceful protesters killed today.

You are so typical of the mad-eyed, mouth-frothing, better-dead-than-red, ragingly paranoid little Englander Tory that Thatcherism inspired. Your numbers are hugely reduced, but there are clearly a few of you left, seething and spewing your hate and bile on anything and everything that does not agree with your warped worldview.

You have my pity.

I don't fit that category. But I do think your comment was totally sick and probably just as typical of many who share your political views.

 

[pork pie]

There that all went well. A few retards under police protection at the event, and the BBC found some inbread peasants in a rotting old South Yorshire Village having a party on a dung-heap to report on. So clear who won there wasn't it! lol

 

[pork pie]

Seems she's still quite popular in S Yorks:-

BBC News - Goldthorpe pit village s funeral

Yes, lots of high sixes there! lol

 

[Soulman]

That (American grand-daughter) reminds me -
One thing I do wonder, given that (at least according to her fans on here) Mrs T apparently transformed Britain and made it great again, is why all her children and grandchildren choose to live somewhere else?

Her children did not live somewhere else when she was in power. May i suggest they all chose to live somewhere else somewhere between 1997 and 2010.

 

[pork pie]

That's rich coming from someone who has publicly stated that they hope to see some peaceful protesters killed today.

You are so typical of the mad-eyed, mouth-frothing, better-dead-than-red, ragingly paranoid little Englander Tory that Thatcherism inspired. Your numbers are hugely reduced, but there are clearly a few of you left, seething and spewing your hate and bile on anything and everything that does not agree with your warped worldview.

You have my pity.

Haha, you really are a sad little retard aren't you? An Jose thinks he is the "special one" lol

You deserve to live in the rat-hole of Sydenham Hill, no wonder you are so bitter living there! lol

 

[vegster]

Her children did not live somewhere else when she was in power. May i suggest they all chose to live somewhere else somewhere between 1997 and 2010.

A little bit of background for you on this, it is only Wikipedia so it may have some small inaccuracies but I would assume most is pretty valid.

Enjoy !

Mark Thatcher,
Career

Having taken various short-term jobs he moved to Hong Kong, where he built up a network of business connections, particularly in the Middle East and in motor racing. In 1977 he set up Mark Thatcher Racing which ran into financial difficulties.[4]
During the mid- to late 1980s concerns were frequently expressed in relation to his business affairs. In 1984 his mother faced questions in the House of Commons in relation to his involvement in representing a British company Cementation, a subsidiary of Trafalgar House to build a university in Oman at a time when the prime minister was urging Omanis to buy British.[4]
He has denied claims made that in 1985 he received millions of pounds in commission in relation to the £45 billion Al-Yamamah arms deal, a controversial arms sale by BAE to Saudi Arabia which was possibly the largest arms sale ever; he has not disputed that a house in Belgravia , London was purchased for him for £1 million in 1987 by an offshore company controlled by Wafic Said, a middleman in the deal.[14] In 1986 his mother faced questions in the House of Commons again over her son's relationship with the Sultan of Brunei.[4]
The government's PR advisers suggested that it would be best if he left the country.[14][15] Alan Clark mentions the 'Mark problem' in his published diaries.[6] He moved to Texas, where he worked for David Wickins of Lotus Cars and British Car Auctions and met his first wife in 1984.[6][4] In the USA he started Monteagle Marketing which was a profitable company selling whisky and clothing.[15] During this period he spent time in Switzerland as a tax exile until he was forced to leave when the Swiss authorities started to question his residency qualifications.[6] He helped arrange the valuable contract for his mother's Downing Street memoirs in the 1990s. A security alarm business he ran in the USA failed and in 1996 he was prosecuted for tax evasion, at which point he moved to Constantia, South Africa with his wife and their two children.[15][14]
In 1998 South African authorities investigated a company owned by Thatcher for allegedly running loan shark operations. According to the Star of Johannesburg, the company had offered unofficial small loans to hundreds of police officers, military personnel and civil servants and then pursued them with debt collectors.[4] He claimed that officers had defrauded him and charges were dropped.[6] It was also suggested that he had profited from contracts to supply aviation fuel in various African countries.[16] In 2003, following the death of his father he assumed the title of 'Sir' due to his Thatcher Baronetcy a year before he was arrested in South Africa in connection with the 2004 Equatorial Guinea coup d'état attempt to which he pleaded guilty of breaking anti-mercenary legislation in January 2005 (details below).[17] At this time the Sunday Times suggested that he had personal assets of £60 million, most of which was in offshore accounts.[4]
Following his guilty plea and their divorce he left for Monaco on one year on a temporary residency permit and his wife and children returned to the USA. His Monaco residency was not renewed as he was said to be on a list of 'undesirables' who would not be allowed further residency and he was required to leave by mid-2006.[10] He was refused an entry visa to the USA because of his conviction in South Africa so was unable to visit his children. He was refused residency in Switzerland and settled in Gibraltar where he married his second wife in 2008. In 2013 he was reported to spend most of his time in Marbella. He was in Barbados when he received news of his mother's death.[14][10]

 

[Soulman]

A little bit of background for you on this, it is only Wikipedia so it may have some small inaccuracies but I would assume most is pretty valid.

Enjoy !

Mark Thatcher,
Career

Having taken various short-term jobs he moved to Hong Kong, where he built up a network of business connections, particularly in the Middle East and in motor racing. In 1977 he set up Mark Thatcher Racing which ran into financial difficulties.[4]
During the mid- to late 1980s concerns were frequently expressed in relation to his business affairs. In 1984 his mother faced questions in the House of Commons in relation to his involvement in representing a British company Cementation, a subsidiary of Trafalgar House to build a university in Oman at a time when the prime minister was urging Omanis to buy British.[4]
He has denied claims made that in 1985 he received millions of pounds in commission in relation to the £45 billion Al-Yamamah arms deal, a controversial arms sale by BAE to Saudi Arabia which was possibly the largest arms sale ever; he has not disputed that a house in Belgravia , London was purchased for him for £1 million in 1987 by an offshore company controlled by Wafic Said, a middleman in the deal.[14] In 1986 his mother faced questions in the House of Commons again over her son's relationship with the Sultan of Brunei.[4]
The government's PR advisers suggested that it would be best if he left the country.[14][15] Alan Clark mentions the 'Mark problem' in his published diaries.[6] He moved to Texas, where he worked for David Wickins of Lotus Cars and British Car Auctions and met his first wife in 1984.[6][4] In the USA he started Monteagle Marketing which was a profitable company selling whisky and clothing.[15] During this period he spent time in Switzerland as a tax exile until he was forced to leave when the Swiss authorities started to question his residency qualifications.[6] He helped arrange the valuable contract for his mother's Downing Street memoirs in the 1990s. A security alarm business he ran in the USA failed and in 1996 he was prosecuted for tax evasion, at which point he moved to Constantia, South Africa with his wife and their two children.[15][14]
In 1998 South African authorities investigated a company owned by Thatcher for allegedly running loan shark operations. According to the Star of Johannesburg, the company had offered unofficial small loans to hundreds of police officers, military personnel and civil servants and then pursued them with debt collectors.[4] He claimed that officers had defrauded him and charges were dropped.[6] It was also suggested that he had profited from contracts to supply aviation fuel in various African countries.[16] In 2003, following the death of his father he assumed the title of 'Sir' due to his Thatcher Baronetcy a year before he was arrested in South Africa in connection with the 2004 Equatorial Guinea coup d'état attempt to which he pleaded guilty of breaking anti-mercenary legislation in January 2005 (details below).[17] At this time the Sunday Times suggested that he had personal assets of £60 million, most of which was in offshore accounts.[4]
Following his guilty plea and their divorce he left for Monaco on one year on a temporary residency permit and his wife and children returned to the USA. His Monaco residency was not renewed as he was said to be on a list of 'undesirables' who would not be allowed further residency and he was required to leave by mid-2006.[10] He was refused an entry visa to the USA because of his conviction in South Africa so was unable to visit his children. He was refused residency in Switzerland and settled in Gibraltar where he married his second wife in 2008. In 2013 he was reported to spend most of his time in Marbella. He was in Barbados when he received news of his mother's death.[14][10]

Very good.
So when did he move abroad, was it pre 1997 ?. After Thatcher left office?....or a n other
The post where you have taken the time to copy and paste, just shows what a piece of work Mark Thatcher is.
The post you were answering stated
Quote Originally Posted by Soulman View Post
Her children did not live somewhere else when she was in power. May i suggest they all chose to live somewhere else somewhere between 1997 and 2010.
Not a very conclusive answer.

 

[ROSM]

I hope we can avoid lots of mud slinging, however I had little respect for the woman during her time as PM so empathise with those angry that this is happening in the heart of the capital. I'd rather the woman had chosen a private funeral rather than this rather public spectacle.[/QUOTE

Not sure if anyone asked her.

Yes she was asked. Back in the mid 90s. At that stage there was a formulation of plans for the death of significant public figures and the concept of 'ceremonial funerals' was discussed. Those identified all were given codenamed linked to bridges (diana was severn bridge, queen mother was Tay bridge and Mrs Thatcher was iron bridge).

The plans would have been validated and tellingly she asked for no flypast.

The plans were kept under review and as [MENTION=189]Wozza[/MENTION] says, the idea was endorsed by Blair and Brown. The scale of procession etc were left undecided but the principals were all there.

But where this has all been politicised is that items pre agreed (and validated by Cameron in 2011) specifically stated no recall or parliament, if the prime minister was travelling that he wouldn't return and that no further Westminster tribute other than the respect debate would be had.

But upon her death all of this was changed at the whim of the conservative leadership (including the codename changing from iron bridge to 'true blue'). Any objection by lib dem or labour would have looked mealy mouthed and petty. However Cameron had to call on milliband for support as initially the speakers office refused the recall and length of debate.

 

[HovaGirl]

It was a genuine question given the history of Fleet St. The union legislation which Thatcher brought in caused a lot of trouble in this geographic area.

Let's correct that for you: The unions caused a lot of trouble in this geographic area

 

[vegster]

Very good.
So when did he move abroad, was it pre 1997 ?.
The post where you have taken the time to copy and paste, just shows what a piece of work Mark Thatcher is.
The post you were answering stated
Quote Originally Posted by Soulman View Post
Her children did not live somewhere else when she was in power. May i suggest they all chose to live somewhere else somewhere between 1997 and 2010.
Not a very conclusive answer.

I think the conclusion is that Mark Thatcher has had a fair few residencies over the years, and it looks like in a fair few the local milkman is still owed some cash. It's a bit of a travesty that a knight of the realm can have such a chequered past, but hey, thats business !

 

[pork pie]

Let's correct that for you: The unions caused a lot of trouble in this geographic area

Totally this. Them and their closed shop working.

 

[maltaseagull]

Yes she was asked. Back in the mid 90s. At that stage there was a formulation of plans for the death of significant public figures and the concept of 'ceremonial funerals' was discussed. Those identified all were given codenamed linked to bridges (diana was severn bridge, queen mother was Tay bridge and Mrs Thatcher was iron bridge).

The plans would have been validated and tellingly she asked for no flypast.

The plans were kept under review and as [MENTION=189]Wozza[/MENTION] says, the idea was endorsed by Blair and Brown. The scale of procession etc were left undecided but the principals were all there.

But where this has all been politicised is that items pre agreed (and validated by Cameron in 2011) specifically stated no recall or parliament, if the prime minister was travelling that he wouldn't return and that no further Westminster tribute other than the respect debate would be had.

But upon her death all of this was changed at the whim of the conservative leadership (including the codename changing from iron bridge to 'true blue'). Any objection by lib dem or labour would have looked mealy mouthed and petty. However Cameron had to call on milliband for support as initially the speakers office refused the recall and length of debate.

Thank you for that. I didn't know this.

Where do you get all this? Do you really know it all or do you google before posting. Do you get out much?

 

[Soulman]

Quote Originally Posted by Soulman View Post
Very good.
So when did he move abroad, was it pre 1997 ?.
The post where you have taken the time to copy and paste, just shows what a piece of work Mark Thatcher is.
The post you were answering stated
Quote Originally Posted by Soulman View Post
Her children did not live somewhere else when she was in power. May i suggest they all chose to live somewhere else somewhere between 1997 and 2010.
Not a very conclusive answer.

I think the conclusion is that Mark Thatcher has had a fair few residencies over the years, and it looks like in a fair few the local milkman is still owed some cash. It's a bit of a travesty that a knight of the realm can have such a chequered past, but hey, thats business !

I think the conclusion is, seeing as you keep avoiding it. Thatcher was long gone as PM, when Mark Thatcher moved abroad, just before 1997 actually.
From the Guardian
"He moved first to Dallas, where he married the daughter of a car dealer, and then, following disputes about his tax affairs, in 1996 to south Africa, to the wealthy white enclave of Constantia, on the Cape"
Mark Thatcher's return to the spotlight | UK news | The Guardian

 

[Beach Hut]

OK dish out the bans for those that were so rude, how many ?

 

[genre b. good]

Her children did not live somewhere else when she was in power. May i suggest they all chose to live somewhere else somewhere between 1997 and 2010.

Makes no difference to his original point though, does it?

Thatcher supposedly fixed Britain, but given the state of it today, it is clear that it was at best a botched job - arguably most of the major problems in the past few years are direct consequences of her actions: selling the north sea oil? deregulating the banks? selling iraq/afghanistan weapons? creating 'ghetto estates'?

Not to mention that she is a direct role model for Blair, Cameron et al and the style over substance attitude which prevails in politics today.

 

[Soulman]

Makes no difference to his original point though, does it?

Thatcher supposedly fixed Britain, but given the state of it today, it is clear that it was at best a botched job - arguably most of the major problems in the past few years are direct consequences of her actions: selling the north sea oil? deregulating the banks? selling iraq/afghanistan weapons? creating 'ghetto estates'?

Not to mention that she is a direct role model for Blair, Cameron et al and the style over substance attitude which prevails in politics today.

I wasn't answering the original point though, which is why i replied on the point that was not the original point......otherwise my reply would have made no sense on the post that i replied to.