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WATFORD zero

Well-known member
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Jul 10, 2003
27,767
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8188349/Jacob-Rees-Moggs-firm-accused-profiteering-coronavirus-economic-crisis.html

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Jacob Rees-Mogg's firm is accused of profiteering from coronavirus as it boasts of 'once in a generation' chance to cash in on investments

Jacob Rees-Mogg's firm is accused of profiteering from the coronavirus crisis
Somerset Capital Management is advising clients to seize 'once in a generation' chance to reap in 'super normal returns' as stock markets fall
Investments include hospitals in Brazil and pharmacies in South Africa
It comes as Western economists have warned that Britain's lockdown is causing an economic downturn potentially more severe than the Great Recession


Jacob Rees-Mogg's investment firm is accused of exploiting worldwide market volatility caused by the coronavirus panic to rake in huge profits. The MP owns 15 percent of Somerset Capital Management, whose chiefs appear to be investing in businesses hit hard by falling stocks. Executives have told clients the international crisis is providing a 'once in a generation' chance of earning 'super normal returns', the Sunday Mirror says. SCM managers are swallowing up businesses expected to 'bounce back' if the world economy recovers. There are potential gains of 500 percent.

Investments include private hospitals in Brazil, pharmacies in South Africa, and a Chinese firm behind a device which checks if people are wearing masks. Mark Asquith, an SCM boss, wrote to investors: 'History has shown us that super normal returns can be made during this type of environment.

'Market dislocations of this magnitude happen rarely, perhaps once or twice in a generation, and have historically provided excellent entry points for investors.' It comes as 708 people who tested positive for the coronavirus died yesterday, while the total UK death toll increased to 4,313 in a big 24-hour jump. Meanwhile, top Western economists have warned that Britain's lockdown is causing an economic crisis unseen by most alive today.

The International Monetary Fund said the economic downturn could be more severe than that experienced during the 2008 Great Recession. A former Bank of England official has also warned that UK unemployment levels could surpass those of the Great Depression in the 1930s.

As millions of jobs and at least 800,000 businesses are feared to be destroyed within weeks, Labour politicians are accusing Mr Rees-Mogg of profiteering. Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said: 'Nobody should be seeking to take advantage of this crisis. We should all be asking ourselves what we can do for our country and each other.' Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell called the move 'sick', adding: 'Profit seeking from suffering is nearly as low as you can get. When we come through this we need a tax on profiteers.'

Father-of-six Mr Rees-Mogg stood down as a director of SCM to become Leader of the House of Commons. He is reportedly worth £100million. Owning at least 15 percent of SCM explains how he was entitled to a reported £1million share of last year's nearly £20million profits. SCM was founded in 2007. Mr Rees-Mogg's office had declined to comment. Oliver Crawley, a partner at SCM, said: 'The human cost of the virus is devastating and we take it very seriously, but our job as investment managers is to remain rational during periods of extreme volatility, in order to carefully invest our clients' savings and pensions for their long-term security.'
 




Green Cross Code Man

Wunt be druv
Mar 30, 2006
20,742
Eastbourne
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8188349/Jacob-Rees-Moggs-firm-accused-profiteering-coronavirus-economic-crisis.html

And for those who would rather not click the link

Jacob Rees-Mogg's firm is accused of profiteering from coronavirus as it boasts of 'once in a generation' chance to cash in on investments

Jacob Rees-Mogg's firm is accused of profiteering from the coronavirus crisis
Somerset Capital Management is advising clients to seize 'once in a generation' chance to reap in 'super normal returns' as stock markets fall
Investments include hospitals in Brazil and pharmacies in South Africa
It comes as Western economists have warned that Britain's lockdown is causing an economic downturn potentially more severe than the Great Recession


Jacob Rees-Mogg's investment firm is accused of exploiting worldwide market volatility caused by the coronavirus panic to rake in huge profits. The MP owns 15 percent of Somerset Capital Management, whose chiefs appear to be investing in businesses hit hard by falling stocks. Executives have told clients the international crisis is providing a 'once in a generation' chance of earning 'super normal returns', the Sunday Mirror says. SCM managers are swallowing up businesses expected to 'bounce back' if the world economy recovers. There are potential gains of 500 percent.

Investments include private hospitals in Brazil, pharmacies in South Africa, and a Chinese firm behind a device which checks if people are wearing masks. Mark Asquith, an SCM boss, wrote to investors: 'History has shown us that super normal returns can be made during this type of environment.

'Market dislocations of this magnitude happen rarely, perhaps once or twice in a generation, and have historically provided excellent entry points for investors.' It comes as 708 people who tested positive for the coronavirus died yesterday, while the total UK death toll increased to 4,313 in a big 24-hour jump. Meanwhile, top Western economists have warned that Britain's lockdown is causing an economic crisis unseen by most alive today.

The International Monetary Fund said the economic downturn could be more severe than that experienced during the 2008 Great Recession. A former Bank of England official has also warned that UK unemployment levels could surpass those of the Great Depression in the 1930s.

As millions of jobs and at least 800,000 businesses are feared to be destroyed within weeks, Labour politicians are accusing Mr Rees-Mogg of profiteering. Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said: 'Nobody should be seeking to take advantage of this crisis. We should all be asking ourselves what we can do for our country and each other.' Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell called the move 'sick', adding: 'Profit seeking from suffering is nearly as low as you can get. When we come through this we need a tax on profiteers.'

Father-of-six Mr Rees-Mogg stood down as a director of SCM to become Leader of the House of Commons. He is reportedly worth £100million. Owning at least 15 percent of SCM explains how he was entitled to a reported £1million share of last year's nearly £20million profits. SCM was founded in 2007. Mr Rees-Mogg's office had declined to comment. Oliver Crawley, a partner at SCM, said: 'The human cost of the virus is devastating and we take it very seriously, but our job as investment managers is to remain rational during periods of extreme volatility, in order to carefully invest our clients' savings and pensions for their long-term security.'

That is what speculators do and have always done. Sell high, buy low. I am not sure that there is anything wrong in that, it is called good investment. Capitalism is the thing at fault imo.
 


yxee

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2011
2,521
Manchester
Professional Footballers Association against a 30% pay cut so that they can continue to give £200 million tax on that 30%. This can then be given to the NHS management to spend accordingly.

This is all very ugly. What about the taxpayer money not going to the NHS because it is needed to support their colleagues who are not on huge fixed term contracts?
 


jonny.rainbow

Well-known member
Oct 29, 2005
6,846
This is all very ugly. What about the taxpayer money not going to the NHS because it is needed to support their colleagues who are not on huge fixed term contracts?

It’s certainly not as cut and dry as people have assumed it would be.

Players are not one homogenous organism; they’ll have differing views on this issue, as well as political beliefs.

For example, an overseas player might prefer to take their full salary so they can donate it to a charity in their home country.
 


yxee

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2011
2,521
Manchester
It’s certainly not as cut and dry as people have assumed it would be.

Players are not one homogenous organism; they’ll have differing views on this issue, as well as political beliefs.

For example, an overseas player might prefer to take their full salary so they can donate it to a charity in their home country.

Some probably have huge mortgages and expenses that they matched to their full earnings, and I'm sure agents are 100% any cut to their salary as they have no public face to criticise as well
 






beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,015
PFA have let their members down with their reponse.
 


Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,952
Surrey
Crikey. I just read that as a light hearted comment (Dad's Army reference?) that 'Big Brother' is watching and your name was added to a list of dissidents for your radical anti-royalist rhetoric (which I agree with, so I am also on the list!)

I don't think they were implying you were added to the list that this thread is named after #BeKind

If that's the case, I'll give my irony meter a tap and apologise to [MENTION=33885]Badger Boy[/MENTION]
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
56,106
Faversham
This is all very ugly. What about the taxpayer money not going to the NHS because it is needed to support their colleagues who are not on huge fixed term contracts?

That's a totally separate issue. And that's 'whataboutery'. :shrug:
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
56,106
Faversham
PFA have let their members down with their reponse.

I have no time for their overpaid chairman but.....how has the PFA let its members down? Was their stated reason a load of old bollocks, of the sort their chairman is typically so fond?

Meanwhile nobody has invited me to take a 30 % pay cut, so my employer can save money, and the government gets 30% less tax take. Fancy that :shrug:
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,015
I have no time for their overpaid chairman but.....how has the PFA let its members down? Was their stated reason a load of old bollocks, of the sort their chairman is typically so fond?

Meanwhile nobody has invited me to take a 30 % pay cut, so my employer can save money, and the government gets 30% less tax take. Fancy that :shrug:

presentation, they'll have a pay deferal but not a cut, pleading NHS as defense. its not a good look when millions are taking cuts or outright losing jobs.
 




vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,272
It’s certainly not as cut and dry as people have assumed it would be.

Players are not one homogenous organism; they’ll have differing views on this issue, as well as political beliefs.

For example, an overseas player might prefer to take their full salary so they can donate it to a charity in their home country.
Anyone heard anything about the big City Bankers and financiers taking 70% pay cuts? Any news of all those Russian emigries that have been pumping millions in to the Tory Party?
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
56,106
Faversham
presentation, they'll have a pay deferal but not a cut, pleading NHS as defense. its not a good look when millions are taking cuts or outright losing jobs.

Is that a PFA statement? Well the chair of the PFA is a massibe bell end, so I don't expect anything of any value from him.
As for the players themselves....I still disagree with the criticism. 'Not a good look'? If clubs are willing to play players that's their business. And cutting their pay, as noted time and time again will not increase the amount the government has to spend on the NHS. It will reduce it.

Players voluntarily giving their own cash after they have paid their tax is a different matter. Plenty of us are making small guestures. I'm still paying my cleaner (to stay at home) for example. But these are personal matters.

People forced to take pay cuts are the victims of their employers. In many cases this is not the fault of the employer and is unavoidable. But it isn't normally voluntary, especially at the low and of incomes.

In the case of big footy clubs and their non playing staff, forcing paycuts and furloughs it is a ****ing disgrace. The fact they are still paying the players is a testament to the greedy decision making (and wealth) of the clubs. It is nothing, I repeat NOTHING to do with the players that the players are being payed in full while non playing staff are being ****ed and furloughed.

No doubt the cleaners at my university are being furloughed, while I am on full pay. I could look this up and find some way to give money directly to these cleaners. In fact I'll contact my union on Monday about this. However I am not going to volunteer to take a pay cut myself. That would be madness. I am actually still working. Arguably that, and my fat pension, are also not 'good looks' in these troubled times. No doubt we will be given news about the 'unfortunate' need to take loads of money out of my pension pot, soon.

Sorry for the rant. I just think it's the likes of the Spurs and Liverpool owners who need to take a good look at themselves, not the players. Not yet, anyway. Some charitable work would be enough for me to say they have restored their 'look' though, frankly. We don't live in a communist state, and we negociate our incomes in a free market (as best we can).
 


Bakero

Languidly clinical
Oct 9, 2010
14,886
Almería
Is that a PFA statement? Well the chair of the PFA is a massibe bell end, so I don't expect anything of any value from him.
As for the players themselves....I still disagree with the criticism. 'Not a good look'? If clubs are willing to play players that's their business. And cutting their pay, as noted time and time again will not increase the amount the government has to spend on the NHS. It will reduce it.

Players voluntarily giving their own cash after they have paid their tax is a different matter. Plenty of us are making small guestures. I'm still paying my cleaner (to stay at home) for example. But these are personal matters.

People forced to take pay cuts are the victims of their employers. In many cases this is not the fault of the employer and is unavoidable. But it isn't normally voluntary, especially at the low and of incomes.

In the case of big footy clubs and their non playing staff, forcing paycuts and furloughs it is a ****ing disgrace. The fact they are still paying the players is a testament to the greedy decision making (and wealth) of the clubs. It is nothing, I repeat NOTHING to do with the players that the players are being payed in full while non playing staff are being ****ed and furloughed.

No doubt the cleaners at my university are being furloughed, while I am on full pay. I could look this up and find some way to give money directly to these cleaners. In fact I'll contact my union on Monday about this. However I am not going to volunteer to take a pay cut myself. That would be madness. I am actually still working. Arguably that, and my fat pension, are also not 'good looks' in these troubled times. No doubt we will be given news about the 'unfortunate' need to take loads of money out of my pension pot, soon.

Sorry for the rant. I just think it's the likes of the Spurs and Liverpool owners who need to take a good look at themselves, not the players. Not yet, anyway. Some charitable work would be enough for me to say they have restored their 'look' though, frankly. We don't live in a communist state, and we negociate our incomes in a free market (as best we can).

I already posted this on another thread but, anyway, here's an anonymous player's candid take on the situation: https://www.football365.com/news/feature-premier-league-player-wage-cut-matt-hancock
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,015
I already posted this on another thread but, anyway, here's an anonymous player's candid take on the situation:

odd article, not entirely sure i believe it (reads like a journalist projecting an argument onto a character). thing is the final conclusion is in agreement with the suggestion that players (and directors too) should take a pay cut for the duration.
 




Bakero

Languidly clinical
Oct 9, 2010
14,886
Almería
odd article, not entirely sure i believe it (reads like a journalist projecting an argument onto a character). thing is the final conclusion is in agreement with the suggestion that players (and directors too) should take a pay cut for the duration.

The player says near the beginning “The FA or Premier League or PFA or whoever should just say ‘no money for three months, we’re putting it all into an account to donate it to the NHS and other charities.’ Make it compulsory and across the board, including directors. So no-one has to make a choice. Because some will give all their money and some only a few quid. There are greedy, selfish ******** in football like in any walk of life and there are lovely lads who’d do anything they can to help.”

Then reiterates that at the end.
 






Beach Hut

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 5, 2003
72,315
Living In a Box
The Scottish Chief Medical Officer who has spent the last two weekends one with her family and one with just her husband at her second home against the advice she gave everyone.

Unbelievable
 




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