The new breed of albion fans......(Todays Mk Dons expiereince)

[Foolg]

I find it amazing that there's people who actually will defend these scumbags as if it's normal behaviour and away fans just being lads, we all have a whinge and a moan about a player or two and a good old swear if a player has a real bad game, but were not talking about a moan/grumble, were taking about real nasty people that is making people move and to some cases not even want to go.

Were not Millwall/Cardiff/Leeds, but I generally think that the more were hearing about this and its rearing its ugly head that Falmer will be a place for new albion hooligans.

I think it's disgusting to call any of our currant crop a CUN* Or a useless bastar* and shout like an out of control animal that forces people to move. Abuse ball boys and act like foul mouthed animals around kids.

If I hear any of the crap I did yesterday at the amex then I will be straight onto the club to get the ASBO removed.

Fair enough. I wasn't defending them, and don't think anybody was, just stating some people have been a bit OTT complaining about consistent swearing at a football match (seperate from that aimed at our players). I was surrounded by quite a few people that i wouldn't be suprised if many put into the "lad" category, but heard nothing but fairly lighthearted banter to "bieber" the ballboy. As i said, i think most of it arose from frustration at the performance and general atmosphere of the entire day. There was constant swearing around me, but I'm at an age where it doesn't bother me, there were a couple of younger children around me who had obviously heard it all, but their dads were often happy to join in.
Anyone with small kids at an away game usually has the sense to move to the sides or front anyway, as they did yesterday.

 

[masterseagull]

There was constant swearing around me, but I'm at an age where it doesn't bother me, there were a couple of younger children around me who had obviously heard it all, but their dads were often happy to join in.

How sad that it doesnt bother you . . .what age must you be for your standards to drop? Age has nothing to do with it! If somethings wrong then its wrong.
Were you at an age, back in the day, when attacking opposition fans didnt bother you either?
Are you suggesting that those dads you are referring to are right to set that example to impressionable kids?

 

[eastlondonseagull]

Interesting thread for me, especially in the light of a decision I took today.

I took my three-year-old daughter to her first match and after some thought decided to go in the home family section, just on the off-chance of getting sat next to some idiot like that being described in the away end. Incidentally, their section was also much cheaper for an Under-7.

Real shame, because Albion's away following is as we all know generally superb, I love being in it and for myself would far rather have been behind the goal, but I wasn't taking any chances today for obvious reasons. I didn't want her getting scared and not enjoying it on a first visit. I do know, though, that a boisterous away end is not necessarily the place for a very young child, so it's up to the parent to do whatever they need to do. I noticed (because I was looking) that there seemed to be some Albion fans with young kids in the away end who had moved right to the sides away from the main body of support, maybe that's one to try.

Anyway, she did make a dismal defeat and display pass much quicker with a couple of comments. She'll be coming to Withdean for the first time against Swindon, and said (not impressed by the ridiculous cow): "Don't worry daddy, Brighton will be much better by the seaside when Gully is there." A very accurate summation of our impressive home form.

And when I asked her what she had enjoyed most about the day, she said: "I just like Brighton." That's my girl.

It'll be my three-year-old's first game in a few weeks. It's at home, so hoping the weather holds out, but we'll be sitting in the family stand, too.

 

[FalmerforAll!**]

I find it amazing that there's people who actually will defend these scumbags as if it's normal behaviour and away fans just being lads, we all have a whinge and a moan about a player or two and a good old swear if a player has a real bad game, but were not talking about a moan/grumble, were taking about real nasty people that is making people move and to some cases not even want to go.

Were not Millwall/Cardiff/Leeds, but I generally think that the more were hearing about this and its rearing its ugly head that Falmer will be a place for new albion hooligans.

I think it's disgusting to call any of our currant crop a CUN* Or a useless bastar* and shout like an out of control animal that forces people to move. Abuse ball boys and act like foul mouthed animals around kids.

If I hear any of the crap I did yesterday at the amex then I will be straight onto the club to get the ASBO removed.

Or you could wake up and realise that there always has been, and always WILL be people that use explicit language far more than you. Who gives a shit if someone shouts **** at a ballboy? I'm sure it happens at plenty of football grounds every weekend. Millwall fans waving Turkey flags at Leeds is crossing the line, Liverpool singing songs about Munich '58 to United and vice versa about Hillsborough, that is way over the line. Drunk bloke calling the ballboy a **** for throwing the ball back slowly - not even on the same level.

I don't even know why I'm biting, but here's a video for you. When our fans start behaving like this, you can start comparing us to the likes of Millwall/Leeds/Cardiff etc and calling people scumbags. In the meantime, MAN up and realise that football has always been a hotbed for naughty language. Oh, and you'd be willing to grass up your own supporters?

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(About 25 seconds in)

 

[Lord Bamber]

Or you could wake up and realise that there always has been, and always WILL be people that use explicit language far more than you. Who gives a shit if someone shouts **** at a ballboy? I'm sure it happens at plenty of football grounds every weekend. Millwall fans waving Turkey flags at Leeds is crossing the line, Liverpool singing songs about Munich '58 to United and vice versa about Hillsborough, that is way over the line. Drunk bloke calling the ballboy a **** for throwing the ball back slowly - not even on the same level.

If i recall though you did take offence for someone calling you a **** at a recent game? What's the difference then?

 

[Robert Codners Nostrils]

The only non footballing problem I had today where the idiots in the Enigma pissing about with the disco equipment, to me that was totally pointless. I was also dosappointed to see so many very young children in there as the law on admittance tio children is very clear and conscise. You are not allowed in a licensed premises under the age of 16 unless it has a child certificate and you are buying food. You cannot take a 12/13 year old into a pub and buy them a coke. The law used to be 14 but is now 16. It didnt help that we went on to give a very poor performance but no doubt we will move on.

The fact that there were only 2 people working in the Enigma didn't help! Almost a fight between one of the kids and an older BHA regular due to a smashed glass or something? Interesting viewing.

 

[Questions]

It'll be my three-year-old's first game in a few weeks. It's at home, so hoping the weather holds out, but we'll be sitting in the family stand, too.

That`s far to young to take a nipper to a game. Even if you go in the family stand he or she will still be a pain in the arse to everyone around when they start figeting. Why do people do it ? Just so you can tell them when they are older. I`ve been twice in the family stand this season and the last time there was a women with a three year old and a baby ffs. Her old man must be a cretin.

 

[Foolg]

How sad that it doesnt bother you . . .what age must you be for your standards to drop? Age has nothing to do with it! If somethings wrong then its wrong.
Were you at an age, back in the day, when attacking opposition fans didnt bother you either?
Are you suggesting that those dads you are referring to are right to set that example to impressionable kids?

I'm at a point where if someone wants to swear at every oppurtunity, then i couldn't really care less if they do so, because at the end of the day 99% of people are aware of the kind of people attend football matches (even if these people are a minority, they are ever present). Yes, we have a few idiots, but i'm not going to come moaning on an internet forum at the thought of someone swearing repetitively at a football match.
I'm not quite sure where i even hinted at the suggestion i thought these fathers were right, or the neccessity to ask whether i condone violence. I wasn't around during the times of violence at football, and can assure you i have never, and will never partake in it.
I heard nothing abnormal at yesterdays game, and i get to a fair few away from home. If people think one or two drunken "lads" at a football match "abusing" our own players is something to be this worried about, i dread to think what this board will be like when Milwall, Leeds and Cardiff visit (hopefully) next season at the Amex in numbers.

 

[FalmerforAll!**]

If i recall though you did take offence for someone calling you a **** at a recent game? What's the difference then?

Of course I took offence to someone calling me a ****! Not to mention that in the circumstances it was unnecessary, but I think you'll find I didn't come on here complaining and calling for him to be banned - I simply defended myself when it was brought up in a discussion. I certainly didn't moan about him using vulgarisms at the football, which is my point.

The fact that there were only 2 people working in the Enigma didn't help! Almost a fight between one of the kids and an older BHA regular due to a smashed glass or something? Interesting viewing.

Let me just clear this up and tell you that it wasn't nearly "a fight" at all. It was a mate of mine who knocked over a glass, which landed nearby some fellow Albion fans. He was on his way to apologise to the said fans, when some bald, 40+ year old bloke unrelated to either party went up to him to have a go. After my mate explained that he was sorry to both the gentleman in question and to the people that were nearby, the same fellow came over some five minutes later shoving his finger in his face and acting in a very aggressive manner. It was at this point that he was promptly told that it had nothing to do with him anyway, but that it was already water under the bridge. We left shortly after to avoid causing any more offence to this prat, who seemed to be looking for a fight. Pretty sure there were a couple of posters on here that saw the incident and will back me up on this.

 

[Lord Bamber]

Of course I took offence to someone calling me a ****! Not to mention that in the circumstances it was unnecessary, but I think you'll find I didn't come on here complaining and calling for him to be banned - I simply defended myself when it was brought up in a discussion. I certainly didn't moan about him using vulgarisms at the football, which is my point.

Surely though the ballboy will take the same offence as you did (which for the record I am not necessarily condoning). Therefore you saying who gives a shit if someone shouts expletives at the ball boy is a mild form of hypocrisy when you took offence also? After all he was only doing his job?

Ignoring that though FFA, you do make good points, it is football, it does happen, it has happened through the ages, it will continue to happen. Not condoning it, it just does. You therefore need to be aware of this before attending.

 

[LABHA]

yawn

 

[Robert Codners Nostrils]

Of course I took offence to someone calling me a ****! Not to mention that in the circumstances it was unnecessary, but I think you'll find I didn't come on here complaining and calling for him to be banned - I simply defended myself when it was brought up in a discussion. I certainly didn't moan about him using vulgarisms at the football, which is my point.



Let me just clear this up and tell you that it wasn't nearly "a fight" at all. It was a mate of mine who knocked over a glass, which landed nearby some fellow Albion fans. He was on his way to apologise to the said fans, when some bald, 40+ year old bloke unrelated to either party went up to him to have a go. After my mate explained that he was sorry to both the gentleman in question and to the people that were nearby, the same fellow came over some five minutes later shoving his finger in his face and acting in a very aggressive manner. It was at this point that he was promptly told that it had nothing to do with him anyway, but that it was already water under the bridge. We left shortly after to avoid causing any more offence to this prat, who seemed to be looking for a fight. Pretty sure there were a couple of posters on here that saw the incident and will back me up on this.

I never said that it was the kids/disco dancers fault at all. I merely said there was nearly a fight. In your first sentence you started by saying "it wasn't nearly a fight at all." You then went on to say your mate was approached by an older gentleman being all aggressive and waggling his finger about! Sounds like almost a bit of a scrap to me?! That's all I was saying! I wasn't blaming anyone as I didn't see the incident. Anyway, these things happen. Have to say the pre match chaos in the Enigma was good fun...

 

[FalmerforAll!**]

Surely though the ballboy will take the same offence as you did (which for the record I am not necessarily condoning). Therefore you saying who gives a shit if someone shouts expletives at the ball boy is a mild form of hypocrisy when you took offence also? After all he was only doing his job?

Ignoring that though FFA, you do make good points, it is football, it does happen, it has happened through the ages, it will continue to happen. Not condoning it, it just does. You therefore need to be aware of this before attending.

I understand that the ballboy would take offence, of course he would! But I just don't get why any Albion fans would feel the need to get so wound up by it, it happens all the time! Nothing to do with a new breed of support. Plus if, like byf says, he had a word with the person in question, then why feel the need to come on here and moan about it?

But yes, you sum it up far better in that short paragraph than I did in my ramblings. It's just football, like it or lump it.

 

[FalmerforAll!**]

I never said that it was the kids/disco dancers fault at all. I merely said there was nearly a fight. In your first sentence you started by saying "it wasn't nearly a fight at all." You then went on to say your mate was approached by an older gentleman being all aggressive and waggling his finger about! Sounds like almost a bit of a scrap to me?! That's all I was saying! I wasn't blaming anyone as I didn't see the incident. Anyway, these things happen. Have to say the pre match chaos in the Enigma was good fun...

Apologies if you thought I was being aggressive in that post, I certainly wasn't trying to accuse you of anything.

In my opinion it definitely was not nearly a fight, as despite our long stay in the Enigma pub, nobody was/is stupid enough to get dragged into a fight over a pint glass, particularly not against (sadly) one of our own.

 

[Robert Codners Nostrils]

Apologies if you thought I was being aggressive in that post, I certainly wasn't trying to accuse you of anything.

In my opinion it definitely was not nearly a fight, as despite our long stay in the Enigma pub, nobody was/is stupid enough to get dragged into a fight over a pint glass, particularly not against (sadly) one of our own.

No worries at all. It was amusing that as soon as the barman left the bar to sort out the "lets all have a disco" incident, a few people took the opportunity to help themselves to a free pint! Saved waiting for half an hour or so.

 

[KneeOn]

Its not just aways either. There are some right f***ing knobs sitting in and around H.

 

[KneeOn]

I love the word ****, its so aggressive and satisfying to say.

I would NEVER say it about our players though. I swear and shout a lot and get very blue tinted specs at the game.

HOWEVER, as a yobbish teen my self, not all of us sweary "lads" ARE thugs too. Separate the swearing and the thuggery.

Example of how a yobbish teen can be considerate? last year, MK Dons at home, following ElAbds sending off I let out a huge rant at the ref. Some bloke behind me pointed out a smallish child sitting "behind" my line of sight and the rant stopped with sorry's all around.

Its cocks who think its fun to abuse other albion fans, and our own players who are the issue, not those who are more colourful in their shows of support for the club.

 

[Marc1901]

Its not just aways either. There are some right f***ing knobs sitting in and around H.

Including me

 

[POSKETT AT THE VALLEY]

OK. This wont go down well. I have one reservation with the Amex, that it will potentially produce a politely clapping, well played that chap kind of stadium crowd, instead of an intimidating cauldron which results in away teams picking up few points.

Seems to me as though a lot of threads involve attire to be worn at the new stadium which to a degree proves my point.

Therefore, I welcome some of the element mentioned in this thread. God, the times I've been to away games and been happy to get home with unscathed is more than most of the contributors on here have had hot dinners.

Therefore, why not have a few unsavoury characters about to ensure that our visitors dont come to the Amex and take liberties.

 

[masterseagull]

Yes, we have a few idiots, but i'm not going to come moaning on an internet forum at the thought of someone swearing repetitively at a football match..

If we are ever going to make football a family game (instead of a haven for yobs to dominate with obscenities) maybe more people should be moaning about swearing than just accepting it.

I'm not quite sure where i even hinted at the suggestion i thought these fathers were right, .

no but shouldn't we take opportunities to condemn rather than condone through passive acceptance?

or the neccessity to ask whether i condone violence. I wasn't around during the times of violence at football, and can assure you i have never, and will never partake in it..

No i wasnt suggesting you would condone or get involved in violence. It was an analogy to suggest that if we had passively accepted it, it would still be around today.

i get to a fair few away from home. If people think one or two drunken "lads" at a football match "abusing" our own players is something to be this worried about, i dread to think what this board will be like when Milwall, Leeds and Cardiff visit (hopefully) next season at the Amex in numbers.

I also regularly attend away matches and have done so for several decades; It is my opinion that the Albion support was less than acceptable from too many fans certainly more than 1 or 2.