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[Finance] The Mortgage Market 2022



pb21

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Apr 23, 2010
6,681
@jakarta any chance you could edit post #155 so it doesn't look like I came out with that shit?

Its strange isn't it? Some people (I know not you) seem to take some kind of pseudo martyrdom, a completely misjudged 'I'm aright jack', or a fundamental willingness to not understand and/or bury head in sand approach to this, or something else I don't get it personally, very bizarre.
 




Super Steve Earle

Well-known member
Feb 23, 2009
8,910
North of Brighton
I'd really appreciate some advice if someone has a couple of minutes to advise.
Most likely a very noob question:

I'm 1.5 years into a 5 year fixed rate (1.9%) mortgage.
I put 10% down on a $315,000 property and my monthly payments are very affordable (thanks to the very low rate).
Of course I'm already anxious about renewal in 3.5 years, who knows that that landscape will look like in terms of rates.

I am very lucky (and thankful) to have a decent income (relative to my outgoings), and have the capability to increase my monthly mortgage payment, switch to bi-weekly payments, AND pay off a chunk of the mortgage ($10k this year, and next year, etc).

Should I be exercising this fortune to do just that, in order to slightly mitigate potential higher rates in 3.5 years time?

That might be a bit of a stupid question, but I honestly don't have anyone to ask for advice on this kind.
Cheers.
Personally, I would leave the mortgage alone, but I can neither advise nor recommend. However, factually an early repayment of any sort will simply reduce compound debit interest at a very low rate of 1.99% whereas all your available extra funds could be compounding at a higher credit interest rate in a savings account. That way, rather than committing along the way to your mortgage reductions, you will have the option to choose from a lovely pot of savings in 3.5 years time, how much of a lump sum reduction you wish to make at the end of your current deal. There are normally no restrictions on the size of your lump sum reduction when your current deal expires although check first.

Importantly, you do have someone who is qualified that you can ask for advice now. There should be no reason why you can't run this and your own ideas past your mortgage provider free of charge.
 


Super Sub

Well-known member
Aug 13, 2016
269
Personally, I would leave the mortgage alone, but I can neither advise nor recommend. However, factually an early repayment of any sort will simply reduce compound debit interest at a very low rate of 1.99% whereas all your available extra funds could be compounding at a higher credit interest rate in a savings account. That way, rather than committing along the way to your mortgage reductions, you will have the option to choose from a lovely pot of savings in 3.5 years time, how much of a lump sum reduction you wish to make at the end of your current deal. There are normally no restrictions on the size of your lump sum reduction when your current deal expires although check first.

Importantly, you do have someone who is qualified that you can ask for advice now. There should be no reason why you can't run this and your own ideas past your mortgage provider free of charge.
 
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HalfaSeatOn

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Mar 17, 2014
2,085
North West Sussex
I was very single minded when I had a mortgage. Get it paid off. I just saw money being kept to one side (savings) as potentially being frittered away on non essentials. Once mortgage free, it was then having the discipline to not get back on the mortgage ladder tempted by the low rates. I was very aware that there were always opportunities forgone but got satisfaction from eliminating this cost and being ‘free’ from at least one element of the system. We all have different appetites.
 


StonehamPark

#Brighton-Nil
Oct 30, 2010
10,133
BC, Canada
Thanks everyone for the advice.

I think it might be best to put my current savings in a GIC (5%) for 3 years, and possibly change the mortgage to a biweekly payment.

Then once the GIC finishes, I’ll have a better idea of the future renewal/interest landscape, and pay off a small chunk if worthwhile.
 




Springal

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Feb 12, 2005
24,768
GOSBTS
I was very single minded when I had a mortgage. Get it paid off. I just saw money being kept to one side (savings) as potentially being frittered away on non essentials. Once mortgage free, it was then having the discipline to not get back on the mortgage ladder tempted by the low rates. I was very aware that there were always opportunities forgone but got satisfaction from eliminating this cost and being ‘free’ from at least one element of the system. We all have different appetites.
I used to be like that but the last 5 years personally I’ve preferred to lump into a private pension for the tax relief rather than overpaying the mortgage due for low rate I gave. But it expires in 2025 so that may change
 


WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
27,701
I was very single minded when I had a mortgage. Get it paid off. I just saw money being kept to one side (savings) as potentially being frittered away on non essentials. Once mortgage free, it was then having the discipline to not get back on the mortgage ladder tempted by the low rates. I was very aware that there were always opportunities forgone but got satisfaction from eliminating this cost and being ‘free’ from at least one element of the system. We all have different appetites.
After my own heart. I wanted rid of my mortgage at the earliest possible opportunity and paid off lumps whenever possible even when it wasn't the 'correct' thing financially, the relief of having no debt more than made up for it. And paying it off early gave me years of putting significant amounts into pensions/investments (y)
 


Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
69,185
Withdean area
Yeah and what did the property and monthly payments cost in comparison to today's prices - RELATIVE to salaries in 1979.
:facepalm:
The Telegraph had this graphic last week. We’re heading towards the mortgage repayments unaffordability of 1990 and 2007.

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Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
69,185
Withdean area
If it were me, I wouldn't fix after this higher rate rise ( I suppose you could always re-fix though if rates come down ? ). My view is the fixing boat has sailed and the time to fix has gone.

It seems inflation is on the way down so rate cuts may follow that anyway ?


A view backed by the two financial expert guests on R4 between 5 and 6 tonight. They felt current mortgage rates will very shortly be falling, they should’ve already, but lenders are flooded with new applications the moment they reduce.
 


HalfaSeatOn

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Mar 17, 2014
2,085
North West Sussex
After my own heart. I wanted rid of my mortgage at the earliest possible opportunity and paid off lumps whenever possible even when it wasn't the 'correct' thing financially, the relief of having no debt more than made up for it. And paying it off early gave me years of putting significant amounts into pensions/investments (y)
Nice one. It enabled me to make a career change with a less paid, less stressful but more enjoyable job.
 


Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
69,185
Withdean area
I don't suppose state pension would cover rental fees. In the not to distant future , there are going to be a lot of elderly people having to continue working to their dying day also a crisis with huge numbers of elderly being homeless . It will all be traced back to these times
Pensioners with (non-pension) savings not greater than £16k receive housing benefit if renting, on top of the state pension.
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Weststander

Well-known member
Aug 25, 2011
69,185
Withdean area
I'd really appreciate some advice if someone has a couple of minutes to advise.
Most likely a very noob question:

I'm 1.5 years into a 5 year fixed rate (1.9%) mortgage.
I put 10% down on a $315,000 property and my monthly payments are very affordable (thanks to the very low rate).
Of course I'm already anxious about renewal in 3.5 years, who knows that that landscape will look like in terms of rates.

I am very lucky (and thankful) to have a decent income (relative to my outgoings), and have the capability to increase my monthly mortgage payment, switch to bi-weekly payments, AND pay off a chunk of the mortgage ($10k this year, and next year, etc).

Should I be exercising this fortune to do just that, in order to slightly mitigate potential higher rates in 3.5 years time?

That might be a bit of a stupid question, but I honestly don't have anyone to ask for advice on this kind.
Cheers.
I’m not a mortgage expert.

At 1.9%, how about saving and earning interest at a greater rate than that, choosing a bank product protected by https://www.canada.ca/en/financial-consumer-agency/services/banking/deposit-insurance.html .

Then when your mortgage deal is up, borrowing less next time by using the savings.
 


nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
18,527
Gods country fortnightly
You have a decent rate fixed for another 3.5 years. You wil most likely have limits to how much you can pay offwhilst on a fix. My advice is to maintain your current payments BUT stick the money you would have paid in overpayments/bi-weekly payments/chunk into a savings account and see how the land lies in 3.5 years time. If things are 'back to normal' at the end of your fix move to another fix. If things are still bad, or things are good and just because you want to, use the savings to pay down the mortgage and get a better product switch/remortgage. This way you have covered all your bases; I do not feel there is much benefit to be had paying it down over the next 3.5 years, versus saving up, and as I say there might be limits.

PS savings accounts will have better interest rates now.
@StonehamPark should consider putting his spare money is a cash ISA, Virgin are doing about 5% for 2 years. Make little sense paying off when rates are 1.9%, the cash is locked up and you can get a better return elsewhere.
 


dazzer6666

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Mar 27, 2013
55,426
Burgess Hill
After my own heart. I wanted rid of my mortgage at the earliest possible opportunity and paid off lumps whenever possible even when it wasn't the 'correct' thing financially, the relief of having no debt more than made up for it. And paying it off early gave me years of putting significant amounts into pensions/investments (y)
Likewise. Overpaid monthly for several years - the impact on the overall term of the loan of overpayments is surprisingly large. The psychological benefit of not having a mortgage was colossal when we finally paid it off (almost 10 years early).
 




mikeyjh

Well-known member
Dec 17, 2008
4,607
Llanymawddwy
Thanks everyone for the advice.

I think it might be best to put my current savings in a GIC (5%) for 3 years, and possibly change the mortgage to a biweekly payment.

Then once the GIC finishes, I’ll have a better idea of the future renewal/interest landscape, and pay off a small chunk if worthwhile.
With respect to everyone who has offered their advice, they appear to have done so without a full understanding of your personal circumstances, your ambitions, your tolerance to risk etc etc - IMO the best advice would be to talk to an IFA.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
62,609
The Fatherland
Yeah fantastic times, as was 15% in 1990, the financial crash in 2008. About time we had another good one. Woohoo. We'll all survive.
If you ignore all the repossessions, bankruptcies and negative equity then yes, everyone survived.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
62,609
The Fatherland
Any landlord with a mortgage of over 50% ltv down here will have big issues going forward coming off a rate of around 2% to a new rate of around 6%, many will find their mortgage payments double or treble over the next year and may have the new mortgage payment being more than the rent achieved. They will have to pass that on, or sell

They will also have a problem re mortgaging to another lender due to new " stress " tests applied
If you have a property in a desirable area you can mitigate some of the increase by passing it onto the tenants. Those in less desirable areas will find it tough. And rents in Brighton and Hove seem to have already increased a lot during and post pandemic.
 


Uncle Spielberg

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2003
43,088
Lancing
With respect to everyone who has offered their advice, they appear to have done so without a full understanding of your personal circumstances, your ambitions, your tolerance to risk etc etc - IMO the best advice would be to talk to an IFA.
I would agree with this
 
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Super Sub

Well-known member
Aug 13, 2016
269
I would agree with this

I would agree with this
I third this... As i mentioned when i responded to a couple of posters, it is all about personal preferences and this can only be understood by way of a meeting with an IFA who would ask questions to understand your goals, preferences and attitude to risk.

Good luck to any of those who decide to go down this route
 


Munkfish

Well-known member
May 1, 2006
12,084
With respect to everyone who has offered their advice, they appear to have done so without a full understanding of your personal circumstances, your ambitions, your tolerance to risk etc etc - IMO the best advice would be to talk to an IFA.

It always makes me laugh at people throwing around opinions on what other people should be doing without any knowledge of that person. Ive worked in Pensions and Investments for the last 15 years, have a great deal of knowledge but always very cautious at offering anyone particular advice, I will always suggest for them to speak to a Financial Adviser. I've seen so many people make terrible financial decisions over the years from people who have listened to a family member or a friend.
 


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