[News] The Miami building collapse
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Lyndhurst 14
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It was undergoing repairs for structural recertification as it was over 40 years old. It looks as if there was significant concrete spalling which had exposed rebar to damage by salt and this resulted in catastrophic failure. A shocking tragedy. There will no doubt be endless discussions about blame and if it could have been avoided. Sometimes shit just happens
vegster
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- May 5, 2008
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It's their version of Grenfell, absolute tragedy.
Horses Arse
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Concrete failing like that after 40 years isn't shit just happening. Like Grenfell there will be reasons, reasons tied up in greed and corruption no doubt.
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Dorset Seagull
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Absolutely. Concrete gets harder each year not softer
Super Steve Earle
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Now I have looked up spalling and rebar and remediation being made to the building, I doubt shit happened. Sounds more like shit waiting to happen and residents should have been moved out while work was completed to make the building safe. Suspect a legal battlefield already being drawn.
Easy 10
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Its a truly horrifying event, I can't imagine a worse way to die than being trapped under rubble for hours with a shattered body. The hell the families are going through must be unbearable.
Sid in the Sharknado
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If there's enough spalling and corrosion to have caused collapse, that's not shit happening, it's a colossal failure on the part of whichever organisation was responsible for the building. The deterioration should have been picked up much earlier, or failing that should have resulted in the building being evacuated for emergency repairs.
There may also be underlying issues around the design and/or construction, if the concrete cover provided to prevent the reinforcement from rusting was inadequate. The designer may have not specified an adequate thickness of concrete, or the builders might have just mucked it up during construction. Either way, that simply shouldn't happen on a significant structure.
The aloof gatekeeper
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See, I'm not so sure it was an accident. Because I've been reading the Twitter, and a lot of people on there are saying it was a controlled demolition.
Or direct energy weapons.
Or direct energy weapons.
Horses Arse
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And cladding gets more flammable?
40 year old concrete buildings don't collapse unless there is impact/explosion or substandard construction initially.
Similar issues to the bridge collapse in Italy.
It is not just "shit happens".
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Sid in the Sharknado
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Past the first few months the strengthening effect levels off substantially, to be pretty much ignorable.
There's all sorts of chemical reactions or problems with the reinforcement that can cause the concrete to crumble, soften or break off entirely, which is why it's important that the right concrete is specified and the thickness to the rebar is correct at the design/construction phase. Even then, particularly if the building's near the sea (I assume this one is if it's in Miami) it needs to be inspected regularly.
beorhthelm
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suggest you stay off twitter if you believe such guff.
Lyndhurst 14
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I accept that my original comment is incorrect in the light of the information which is now coming to light and that shit didn't just happen in this instance. It now appears that a report had been issued in 2018 in which a consultant had advised the buildings owner that major structural damage had been discovered including cracking and crumbling of columns, beams and walls. It included photos of the cracking and spalling of the concrete and exposed reinforcement.
A lawyer said they were just about to get started on repairs adding that the process would have been handled much differently if owners had had any indication that the corrosion and crumbling were a serious threat.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/26/us/miami-building-collapse-investigation.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
A lawyer said they were just about to get started on repairs adding that the process would have been handled much differently if owners had had any indication that the corrosion and crumbling were a serious threat.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/26/us/miami-building-collapse-investigation.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
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B-right-on
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Of course their lawyers are going to say that. The fact it's taken them 3 years to do feck all actual work whilst raking in the rents has nothing to do with it.
Hope they get sued to shit. Deserve it imo. Negligence of the highest order.
Hope they get sued to shit. Deserve it imo. Negligence of the highest order.
Sid in the Sharknado
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I don't think anybody on this thread so far has made any claims as to what exactly caused the collapse. Unless you include the guy mentioning random twitter rumours.
Not the best analogy there mate.
Gabbafella
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A lot of people on Twitter claim 9/11 was an inside job, the moon landing was fake, the Earth is flat and Hitler is still alive. I'm not sure you should use Twitter as a source of legitimate information.
Cowfold Seagull
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Well I'd suggest that it kinda is in a way.
As tragic as this was, and as much as you try to safeguard against it happening again in the future, there will always be situations somewhere in the world, of buildings being erected using substandard materials, or safeth being compromised by excessive cost cutting. Pass as many laws as you like.
Sad but inevitable.