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[Albion] The masterstroke of dropping Potterball







Johnny RoastBeef

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Stat Brother

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I detest the term "Potterball". Tinpot beyond belief.

It's not even close to the tinpottery of selling the best players off to 'big' clubs.
 


Perkino

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The most successful sides in premier league history have always been those who can counter attack quickly, just look at how quickly Man City & Liverpool move the ball. Possession is useful but at this level games are won and lost on individual mistakes and capitalising on them. I have no issue at all if we soak up pressure and then look to make the most when in possession, that means the team moving forward quickly not just the ball being hit long to nobody.


I'm also not anti a cross or two being delivered into the box at stages during a game, I'd much rather some variation than an Arsenal style of trying to walk the ball into the goal and ultimately never shooting
 




Greg Bobkin

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The thrust of this conversation is one reason I'm a big believer in the 'one game at a time' philosophy. The team could have an absolute shocker (Manchester United) and then bounce back with a completely different performance (Norwich) and come away with all three points. Those two games after another different kind of game against Leicester.

It's probably come as a bit of a shock to the system to some of the players because they're effectively being asked to play a different way every week. Yes, they are professional footballers, but they are only human and when you're asked to change from the norm, it's got to be a bit daunting. Quite excited about the prospect of next season; in fact the difference in the performances of some of the players (Bissouma, most notably for me) makes it feel a bit like a new season as it is!
 


vagabond

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Loads of managers have used all 5 subs :shrug:

In our games both Solskjaer and Arteta have, for starters.

(unless maybe you meant he is the only manager to use ALL 5 subs, in ALL 5 games??)

It’s a stat I heard elsewhere which may have been the case up until last round of games. I’m not a very good statto [emoji56]
 








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These tables prove we are a decent mid table team, and with a bit more clinical finishing our real league position would reflect this.

When you consider our 2 striking options (sorry Glenn) are both playing their first Premier League season, this is not too shabby.

I'm not convinced that these tables (without some further explanation) offer much insight at all.

For example, it suggests that Wolves have only dropped two points from winning positions all season. Well, they were ahead in the game at the Amex (0-1), but also behind (2-1) before ultimately drawing 2-2. So for that game are they considered to have dropped points from a winning position? or to have won a point from a losing position?
 


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I noted [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION] coined the term "Potterology" the other day. Could we offer you in that instead?

Was this in relation to the content of his cigarettes? Or our manager?
 




Iggle Piggle

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These tables prove we are a decent mid table team, and with a bit more clinical finishing our real league position would reflect this.

When you consider our 2 striking options (sorry Glenn) are both playing their first Premier League season, this is not too shabby.

That's the problem for me in a nutshell. It's rare I watch a game involving a PL team against us and see a striker in thier team that wouldn't improve us (last weekend was an obvious example of an exception to the rule as well as Villa's Village forward line). Even teams below us have the likes of Deeney, Wilson and we'd have been chuffed to bits with signing Jarod Bowen in the last window.

On the flip side, we are into the likes of VVD who are better than Dunk.
 


dwayne

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That's the problem for me in a nutshell. It's rare I watch a game involving a PL team against us and see a striker in thier team that wouldn't improve us (last weekend was an obvious example of an exception to the rule as well as Villa's Village forward line). Even teams below us have the likes of Deeney, Wilson and we'd have been chuffed to bits with signing Jarod Bowen in the last window.

On the flip side, we are into the likes of VVD who are better than Dunk.
Well pukki has scored more than all our strikers this season and scored more than maupay in the championship last season. So you can add them to the list too !

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As we laboured to a 0-1 over the Canaries, a commentator mentioned how easy it was to set-up against them.

‘Their full backs bomb forward so you just need to be ready counter attack when they lose possession’.

That’s exactly what we did, the inevitable mistake occurred and we took our chance. For most of the rest of the match, we soaked up pressure in an almost Hughtonesque way although we were rarely forced back into our penalty area. Our possession stat of 42% confirmed that the ‘keeping the ball’ philosophy of the manager had vanished.

Looking at the restart, I predicted that Potter will be one step ahead of the opposition when the Premier League resumed. As various opposition teams planned to play a possession obsessed outfit, they instead came up against a team and tactics our previous manager would have been proud of. The defensive wall Potter erected at the end of the Norwich game when we were just 0-1 up spoke volumes about where his tactics and mindset was:

Webster Duffy Dunk Burn Bernardo

“Thou shalt not pass”

Our possession stats have dropped dramatically in all post lockdown games indicating a dramatic move in tactics.

I remember Watford away where his substitutions were Maupay & Andone as we led 0-1, what a contrast. How do you plan against such a changed outlook?

The big question now is will we ever see the return of Potterball? If so, when?

Southampton found the key to stopping Man City and it pretty much involved having as little possession as possible. Tomorrow and Saturday will be interesting, will we be served more Hughtonesque backs-against-the-wall drama?

For my part, I’m very much hoping for a return to Potterball against Southampton, Newcastle and Burnley but whatever happens, you can rest assured that Potter will keep his opposition Managers guessing and guessing.

Journalists and commentators always emphasise change and difference because it's an easy thing to say. It's always seemed an simplistic narrative to me - if you are in charge of a bottom 6 team in the Prem the pressures will be same whatever the manager and your options will be circumscribed by generally playing better teams most weeks. We've survived for a third season because the board invested approx 70 million, guys like Maupay were critical - and they will have to keep spending similar figures unless we want to be a Bournemouth.

I hope we do finally have a non-bottom 6 season where relegation doesn't haunt us all season, no reason why we can't emulate the likes of Burnley, Palace or Newcastle really - when that happens, we will know we've taken a definitive step forward on the playing side of the club.
 




Simster

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Well pukki has scored more than all our strikers this season and scored more than maupay in the championship last season. So you can add them to the list too !
What to make of Teemu Pukki eh. Scored for fun last season, then looked to be carrying it on this season. But Norwich have scored one goal in their last nine games and although he has outscored our strikers, he has also only scored 2 goals since 4th December - one of which was a penalty. Not saying he's a bad striker but he is so woefully off the boil that he didn't even start against us. He'll probably score loads again next season.
 


vagabond

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That's the problem for me in a nutshell. It's rare I watch a game involving a PL team against us and see a striker in thier team that wouldn't improve us (last weekend was an obvious example of an exception to the rule as well as Villa's Village forward line). Even teams below us have the likes of Deeney, Wilson and we'd have been chuffed to bits with signing Jarod Bowen in the last window.

On the flip side, we are into the likes of VVD who are better than Dunk.

It feels we’ve been short of a quality striker from the moment we were promoted.

At the start of the season when we had Maupay and Andone on the bench, then I felt we had adequate options up front.
 




Hugo Rune

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Journalists and commentators always emphasise change and difference because it's an easy thing to say.

It’s not just Journalists & Commentators. This is Klopp at today’s press conference:

“They changed their approach since lockdown, so we don’t know exactly what we will face.”

Advantage Potter.
 


dazzer6666

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It’s not just Journalists & Commentators. This is Klopp at today’s press conference:

“They changed their approach since lockdown, so we don’t know exactly what we will face.”

Advantage Potter.

..................doubt Potter knows yet either, less so his players. He hasn't got his lucky bag of balls out for the team selection Tombola yet :D
 


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