[Politics] The Mail Woke List…..

[BadFish]

I’m not following you. Should there be equity and social justice for hungry children or not?

No that would be positive discrimination.
Merit says that poor people deserve to suffer. Lazy and feckless you see.

 

[Cordwainer]

Of course it’s equity. Maybe if the parents were treated equitably they wouldn’t need welfare. You have no better idea than me.

And it’s “That’s”. Perhaps you’ve just been binned off from the executive hiring process because you’re a massive thicko, rather than because you came up against a gay, black dwarf with ADHD from Bermondsey.

You gotta wonder looking at its output, the fact that it’s an obvious copy n paste WUM and the proximity of the letters m to n and b to g on the qwerty keypad, that the second word in CD’s username is a slight typo?

 

[Guinness Boy]

Its not widely held beyond leftwing agitprop and capture institutions. The labelling of everything far-right is just a smear

I can connect it briefly but i don't have the time, I make 1 post and get 7 or 8 notifications.

Start from Gender theory and the belief that everything is a social construct or socially conditioned, from there you ask the question who does the social conditioning? Answer not you if you are not on the left aka Cancel culture or what Herbert Marcuse of the Frankfurt School calls "repressive tolerance"

Then you have Critical theory,

1. The field of study concerned with formulating and evaluating intellectual approaches to the analysis or interpretation of works of art, texts, and other cultural artifacts. Critical theory encompasses such theories as New Criticism, Marxism, structuralism, deconstruction, and postcolonial theory.

This is where the Proletariat /Bourgeois paradigm is used and replace by sex and race giving critical gender theory and critical race theory. It is designed to create conflict which is why the most divisive races are used and others ignored in an attempt to ferment revolution. see Imbrahim Kendi for reference.

Neo-marxism isn't things Marx said but implied, neo-marxists have just picked up the ball and run with it. Examples given above.

This is a bare bones simplistic presentaion

You should probably change your name from “Crawley Dingo” to “CTRLC CTRLV”

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Positive discrimination is about equal outcome, and thats the kindest interpretation and not the anti-white/male one. Its about promoting immutable characteristics over merit so erodes or destroys meritocracy.

Firstly, I didn’t use the words positive discrimination at all, and that was not what I was getting at. It’s about EVERYBODY getting a fair crack of the whip.
And I disagree anyway that positive discrimination is about equal outcome. For me, It’s about giving someone who might be disadvantaged for whatever reason more of a chance.

 

[Machiavelli]

Yes i could do all that, take all that time for what? Snide retorts? Do it yourself then maybe become less ignorant.

You've just demonstrated that you can't do any of that.

 

[BLOCK F]

That's a very balanced view, but since this thread seems to have evolved into The Daily Mail v The Guardian, maybe you could help and highlight an article by the Guardian that breaks the Independent Press Standards, eerr Press Standards ?

I'm trying to seek one out because, as you know I always believe in balance in any discussion and could do with some help. (I'm assuming from the link above, we don't need to seek out any more for the Daily Mail)

I couldn’t possibly comment.
I have absolutely no idea about The Guardian and Independent Press Standards, I merely stated that I wouldn’t read either the Mail or the Guardian, save for a few online Guardian articles, ‘cos they are free and it helps me understand what the great and good of NSC are currently getting exercised about.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I bookmarked this tweet to show the Daily Mail contradicting itself on the same day. That's how much they pay attention to accuracy.

Not wishing to defend the DM/DM Online in any way, shape or form, but it would argue that the first story doesn't actually say Harry arrived by PJ (it's merely inferring he might have done but, in reality, anyone could've been on that flight from Cali) and the second story (published – and also updated – later in the day) seems to have the truth.

It knows what it's doing and is playing its readers like a fiddle. Anything that could possibly get them even more riled up about Horrid Harry is great for the comments cesspit and – therefore – web traffic and revenue.

 

[Bakero]

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You should probably change your name from “Crawley Dingo” to “CTRLC CTRLV”

I got three albums by them. Russian Witch House. Crackin'

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Both art

Not wishing to defend the DM/DM Online in any way, shape or form, but it would argue that the first story doesn't actually say Harry arrived by PJ (it's merely inferring he might have done but, in reality, anyone could've been on that flight from Cali) and the second story (published – and also updated – later in the day) seems to have the truth.

It knows what it's doing and is playing its readers like a fiddle. Anything that could possibly get them even more riled up about Horrid Harry is great for the comments cesspit and – therefore – web traffic and revenue.

Both articles were updated during the day.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I couldn’t possibly comment.
I have absolutely no idea about The Guardian and Independent Press Standards, I merely stated that I wouldn’t read either the Mail or the Guardian, save for a few online Guardian articles, ‘cos they are free and it helps me understand what the great and good of NSC are currently getting exercised about.

That was what I thought. You've gone on a thread about Blur versus Oasis to let us know that you are unfamiliar with either, although you looked up Oasis to find out what your grandson was going on about.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Firstly, I didn’t use the words positive discrimination at all, and that was not what I was getting at. It’s about EVERYBODY getting a fair crack of the whip.
And I disagree anyway that positive discrimination is about equal outcome. For me, It’s about giving someone who might be disadvantaged for whatever reason more of a chance.

You are wasting your time. I made exactly the same points. He just trots on to the next soundbite. He is here to promote a particularly narrow political dogma, not to explore ideas.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Both art

Both articles were updated during the day.

I know. The first article went live in the morning and the second one not until late in the evening. Which is enough time to get DM readers in an absolute RAGE about Harry using a private jet (even when they know that he didn't, but assume that their readers are so thick/hate-filled that they will swallow any old shite), before slipping out the true version of events when fewer people are looking.

It's funny that a lot of the people who bang on about not trusting the 'MSM' and 'Fake news' are reading outlet that are actually guilty of false/twisted stories.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Thanks for your response.

Gender Studies, as I understand it, is a means of challenging sexist structures and stereotypes. It seems a leap from there to claim the left are socially conditioning society.

Of course, we have academics promoting leftist theories. But what makes you think they're fomenting revolution? Mass media is by and large controlled by the right. In the UK, the Tories have been a power for much of the past 45 years. The BBC Director General is a former Conservative candidate.

I'm not sure why you've copy and pasted a definition of Critical Theory rather than explaining what Cultural Marxism is or providing a link. How is it affecting our lives today? And again, I have to ask, what is it? You suggest it's not a far right concept but it's been promoted by many on the far right, has it not? Ander Breivik for starters.

I've read a bit of Kendi and not seen anything too controversial. What exactly do you take issue with?

That's the NSC equivalent of me trying to coax the cat back in by rattling a pack of Dreamies at him. In the sensible response stakes, normally a triumph of hope over expectation.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Firstly, I didn’t use the words positive discrimination at all, and that was not what I was getting at. It’s about EVERYBODY getting a fair crack of the whip.
And I disagree anyway that positive discrimination is about equal outcome. For me, It’s about giving someone who might be disadvantaged for whatever reason more of a chance.

That's exactly how DE & I should work. Diversity and inclusion mean that you don't throw out cvs for people with obviously black, Asian or female names or fail to hire the best interviewee just because they identify as 'they'.

BUT it does also mean you don't throw out the cvs of every white, straight male over 45 and I assure you that is happening, particularly where applications have to be online and are passed through an system where a junior programmer has tried to write an inclusion algorithm. It's also happening in my wife's employer right now where they are not allowed to advertise any vacancy internally because the current employees are deemed too white and too old.

However, that's not 'woke' or even positive discrimination. In the first instance it's big companies trying to save money on recruitment and implementing one part of it particularly badly. In the other it's a misunderstanding of what DEI is. A senior executive wanting to change how the organisation looks right now rather than organically over time, while still being fair to current employees.

Inclusion includes older white people. When it doesn't do that things morph into the ridiculous conspiracy allegations of the alt-right and become rife for the likes of Crawley Dingo to consume and shit back out all over the internet. As a society we need to understand that sometimes implementing a concept poorly has dangerous repercussions.

 

[The Clamp]

How have we suddenly got a handful of the trolls back again?

 

[WATFORD zero]

How have we suddenly got those same couple of trolls with a handful of accounts back again?

Corrected for you

 

[Chicken Run]

How have we suddenly got a handful of the trolls back again?

NSC= The Garden

Threads like these = The Chickens

Foxes = The Trolls you speaks of

Put the Chickens in the garden and you’ve answered your own question

What I can’t decide is wether the Chickens were out there as bait

 

[BLOCK F]

That was what I thought. You've gone on a thread about Blur versus Oasis to let us know that you are unfamiliar with either, although you looked up Oasis to find out what your grandson was going on about.

Haha Harry, I like your analogy. I couldn’t be arsed to trawl through the whole thread so just posted what I wanted, leaving the more intellectual side of the discussion /argument to my morally and intellectually superior fellow posters on NSC, like yourself! I know my place
I might be old, but not quite that old! Anyway, I have a ‘muso’ wife younger than me and she keeps me in touch with all that kind of thing, but perhaps not the more obscure musical tastes that you seem to favour!
Grandson is only four so is not entirely familiar with Blur or Oasis, let alone the Mail or the Guardian.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Firstly, I didn’t use the words positive discrimination at all, and that was not what I was getting at. It’s about EVERYBODY getting a fair crack of the whip.

Yes thats what meritocracy is about.