The Labour party are knackered!

[Milton Keynes Seagull]

There is no easy or totally humane way to slaughter an animal for food, whether by wringing its neck, electrocution or slitting its throat. I don't for an instant imagine that any animal I have eaten has been chased over hill and dale by a pack of hounds, pursued by a bunch of loons on horseback wearing fancy dress and baying for its death.

I don't agree with you. I think that there is a great difference between stunning an animal then administering the coup de grace, compared to turning it upside down, slitting its throat and watching it die in agony for about five minutes while blood spews out all over the place.

As for hunting, that it is another issue. Personally I would spare the foxes (they can be culled humanely when necessary), and substitute feral yobs in their place.

 

[Buzzer]

There is no easy or totally humane way to slaughter an animal for food, whether by wringing its neck, electrocution or slitting its throat. I don't for an instant imagine that any animal I have eaten has been chased over hill and dale by a pack of hounds, pursued by a bunch of loons on horseback wearing fancy dress and baying for its death.

Then get yourself down to North Somerset, matey. The deer meat from the deers that they chase is DELICIOUS. (Deer are shot at close range. They're not torn to pieces whilst alive by dogs. The deer would absolutely massacre a sizeable proportion of the pack otherwise). Particularly recommend Quantock deer.


Hmmm....how would I like to go. On my feet with a fighting chance of escape or trussed up, hung upside down and then drown in my own blood?

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[Gully]

How do you think beef cattle are slaughtered, if not by stunning with a bolt then hanging them upside down and slitting their throat, the animal isn't dead until the blood has drained from its body and its heart stops...not too much difference between that and halal is there.

 

[Gully]

Buzzer, I am not against shooting an animal to eat it, far from it...it is the unnecessary cruelty of a chase that I find so distasteful. I was offered some venison from a forest near to here and intend to take this up if the chance comes round again as I hear it makes a mighty fine stew.

 

[Buzzer]

Buzzer, I am not against shooting an animal to eat it, far from it...it is the unnecessary cruelty of a chase that I find so distasteful. I was offered some venison from a forest near to here and intend to take this up if the chance comes round again as I hear it makes a mighty fine stew.

fair dos. I wasn't belittling you. Just pointing out that some meat from chases is eaten and some chases don't have dogs ripping flesh from live animals. Another reason why the meat is so good is that the huntsman are very good at preventing in-breeding within the deer population. Makes for tastier meat apparently.

My ex-wife's family all hunt. Never saw the attraction in it myself but really can't understand why people get so hung up on a mangy fox or 2 being killed. If people want to dress up and chase after them too then it's none of my business. Strange how you don't see saboteurs going after people guilty of cruelty to children (well certainly not as well organised or as militant or as extreme). The British are odd like that sometimes.

 

[Gully]

I think it is double standards for people to be completely opposed to say shooting an animal with a gun, be that a rabbit, deer or pigeon but be quite happy to go and fill their supermarket trolley up with battery raised chicken, factory farmed pork or veal...none of which can be said to have lead pleasant lives, least of all the calves raised for veal.

I am partial to rabbit and prune stew (a Belgian delicacy) and would quite happily go out with a gun party to kill some for the pot...in the assumption that the animal dies quickly, to be fair rabbits are a bit of a pest anyway so killing and eating them serves a bit of a double purpose.

 

[Milton Keynes Seagull]

How do you think beef cattle are slaughtered, if not by stunning with a bolt then hanging them upside down and slitting their throat, the animal isn't dead until the blood has drained from its body and its heart stops...not too much difference between that and halal is there.

Animals killed in British slaughter houses are done as humanely as possible. Halal ritual slaughter sees the animal fully aware while it slowly bleeds to death.

 

[Milton Keynes Seagull]

I think it is double standards for people to be completely opposed to say shooting an animal with a gun, be that a rabbit, deer or pigeon but be quite happy to go and fill their supermarket trolley up with battery raised chicken, factory farmed pork or veal...none of which can be said to have lead pleasant lives, least of all the calves raised for veal.

I am partial to rabbit and prune stew (a Belgian delicacy) and would quite happily go out with a gun party to kill some for the pot...in the assumption that the animal dies quickly, to be fair rabbits are a bit of a pest anyway so killing and eating them serves a bit of a double purpose.

I responded to the issue of slaughtering animals. On the issue of battery farming and keeping animals in decent environments I totally agree with you. I want to see animals kept in good conditions and slaughtered as humanely as possible. That precludes Halal.