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[Albion] The Labour party and anti-Semitism
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Yes, it's as tenuous as calling every Leave voter a racist, or every Conservative voter a silver spoon snob.
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Bevendean Hillbilly
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Jeremy Corbyn is not some Machiavellian plotter nor do I think he's holocaust denying anti semite.
That said, I love it when he gets called it by the great and good of British Jewry...especially as it must hurt his "right on" heart.
That said, I love it when he gets called it by the great and good of British Jewry...especially as it must hurt his "right on" heart.
"A meeting with Jeremy Corbyn to discuss anti-Semitism in the Labour Party was a "disappointing, missed opportunity", Jewish leaders have said.
The Jewish Leadership Council and Board of Deputies of British Jews said the Labour leader did not agree to any of the concrete actions they asked for."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43887223
The Jewish Leadership Council and Board of Deputies of British Jews said the Labour leader did not agree to any of the concrete actions they asked for."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43887223
Slightly biased.
Mr Corbyn said he had had a "positive and constructive" meeting.
"I am absolutely committed to rooting out anti-Semitism from our party and our society," he said.
"When members of Jewish communities express genuine anxieties, we must recognise them as we would those of any other community.
"I have charged our new general secretary Jennie Formby with improving our disciplinary procedures as her top priority to ensure all complaints are dealt with swiftly and fairly."
What 'concrete actions ' did they ask for and why should he automatically agree to them?
It really wasn't - sorry to disappoint.
My copy and paste was the entirety of the BBC article when I posted it here. I can't post what doesn't exist at the time.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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No fan of Corbyn, but having read a write up of someone who was there it appears he was "hiding behind process" rather than disagreeing.
They were asking him to do things that he simply hasn't the power to do under Labour Party rules.
He doesn't appear to live in a world where he picks up his blackberry and shouts orders down the phone.
I suspect he would feel more comfortable outside of politics and I suggest a career in possibly my local library or the post office.
What a fascinating world we live in,
Who would have put odds on Trump being a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize, The Labour Party upsetting the Jewish Community and the Tories enacting legislation that the National Front would be proud off.
My advice to everyone is stop arguing about politics, stop supporting political parties like football teams but most importantly keep your head down.
It will all blow over eventually, although I do suspect we be visited by aliens before the year is out.
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But you could have been wise , like me, to spot that the BBC report was initially one sided.
JLC and Board of Deputies Statement on Meeting with Jeremy Corbyn 24.04.18
Our meeting with Jeremy Corbyn today was a disappointing missed opportunity regarding the problem of antisemitism in the Labour Party. We welcomed Mr Corbyn’s personal involvement in the discussion and his new comments recognising and apologising for antisemitism in the Labour Party but he failed to agree to any of the concrete actions we asked for in our letter to him of 28th March.
Last month the Jewish community held an unprecedented demonstration outside Parliament to express our hurt and anger about the level of antisemitism in the Labour Party, and Jeremy Corbyn’s failure to take strong action against it. Following that demonstration we wrote to Mr. Corbyn to set out six areas of concrete action he and the party could take to address the antisemitism that has grown under his leadership. These represented the minimum level of action the community expected after more than two years of inactivity. Today we met Mr. Corbyn to convey in no uncertain terms the Jewish community’s feelings to him in person and to discuss his response to our proposals. It was a difficult yet important meeting.
We are disappointed that Mr Corbyn’s proposals fell short of the minimum level of action which our letter suggested. In particular, they did not agree in the meeting with our proposals that there should be a fixed timetable to deal with antisemitism cases; that they should expedite the long—standing cases involving Ken Livingstone and Jackie Walker; that no MP should share a platform with somebody expelled or suspended for antisemitism; that they adopt the full International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism with all its examples and clauses; that there should be transparent oversight of their disciplinary process.
Words in letters and newspaper articles will never be enough. We welcome the fact that Mr Corbyn’s words have changed but it is action by which the Jewish community will judge him and the Labour Party. Our sole objective from this meeting was to build trust with Mr Corbyn, but this will not be possible until and unless he and the party turn their many strong words against antisemitism into equally strong actions in order to bring about a deep cultural change in his supporters’ attitude to Jews.
Thousands of British Jews did not demonstrate outside Parliament just for a few lawyers and another newspaper article; they demanded action and so do we. We will hold the Labour Party to account for any future failures and continue to represent the interests of British Jews with clarity and resolve. We also commit to do our utmost to work with all those within Labour who want to help make it a safe and equal space for all of its members.
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Buzzer
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- Oct 1, 2006
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Agree completely. An end to whataboutery. All parties held to account for their failures/mistakes/bigotry.
Disagree completely. We need to keep up tbe pressure until the problems are fixed and the rotten apples in British politics are all removed. Just think how much healthier the Tory Party would be if they acknowledged the root causes of the Windrush debacle, sincerely apologised and made sure that they put it right, punishing those responsible no matter how senior. No obfuscation, a hands up that they messed up and want to put things right.
Likewise, if the Labour Party made it their priority to restore their reputation with the Jewish community by being ruthless in rooting out the anti-Semitism within their ranks.
All this is very doable but if we all keep our heads down then nothing will ever get done.
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Trufflehound
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Agreed, but... Can Caroline Lucas run parliament all on her own?
Bevendean Hillbilly
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Seeing as how the left wing was pretty much driven by Jewish activists from the Russian revolution to the Munich rebellion...how has Labour got so bogged down in this?
It just seems so weird. I can imagine Antisemitism being rife in the Tories and Aristocracy to see comrade Corbyn getting stick for any kind of "ism" except socialism sounds fishy.
It just seems so weird. I can imagine Antisemitism being rife in the Tories and Aristocracy to see comrade Corbyn getting stick for any kind of "ism" except socialism sounds fishy.
Buzzer
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- Oct 1, 2006
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Palestine activism within the Labour Party over the last 40 odd years with Labour turning a blind eye to the anti-Semitism of Hamas et al poisoning the debate because the activists were all seen to be fringe players. Then Corbyn became leader and the activists have become empowered and they are making sure their voices are being heard.
Fair play to them for that but there's some who appear to be genuinely anti-Semitic and others who unwittingly are enabling the anti-Semites because they think that because it was never mentioned much before now that it's just smears.
Buzzer
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- Oct 1, 2006
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Aristocracy - yes.
Tories - yes and no. The father of the modern Conservative Party, Disraeli, was Jewish (converted to Christianity but was always referred to by his ancestry). There is a hard right side to the party has long been antagonistic to Jews but by and large, it's been as much a home to Jewish voters as Labour ever was. In more recent times, Jewish Tory politicians have held pretty much every senior position within the party including leader.
Up until recently, Jewish voters were more typically Tory voting but something like 35% voted Labour and I think this shows that Jewish voters didn't particularly associate either party with a tolerance of anti-Semitism and certainly not "rife". It used to be said that the Church of England was the Tory Party at prayer. Right now, I reckon the Jewish Board of Deputies would be a better bet given that Jewish voters are now almost exclusively Tory supporting.
ForestRowSeagull
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Antisemitism has always been present in the far left, it's just the people holding these views were very much at the fringes of the party and no one paid any attention to them. Not anymore...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43920227
...Mr Wadsworth was supported by Labour MP Chris Williamson, an ally of Jeremy Corbyn, who said he was "astonished" by the "absurd" decision to expel the activist.
"It flies in the face of the evidence presented and offends against the principles of natural justice," he said ,in a statement on Facebook.
"The NCC's decision has all the hallmarks of predetermination and tramples on Labour's record of standing up for fairness."
The MP for Derby North said he would help Mr Wadsworth in his efforts to "clear his name".
...Mr Wadsworth was supported by Labour MP Chris Williamson, an ally of Jeremy Corbyn, who said he was "astonished" by the "absurd" decision to expel the activist.
"It flies in the face of the evidence presented and offends against the principles of natural justice," he said ,in a statement on Facebook.
"The NCC's decision has all the hallmarks of predetermination and tramples on Labour's record of standing up for fairness."
The MP for Derby North said he would help Mr Wadsworth in his efforts to "clear his name".