[Politics] The Labour Government

[El Presidente]

Why do you keep trolling me, and disputing my dyslexia? Its a pretty low thing to do especially for a moderator, is power your thing? Squash the man in the street?
Ignored me if you like it might be the best thing for you.

I will decide what is best for me.

 

[rogersix]

I don't disagree with much of your post,but his control obsession was also visible there, yes he needed to sort them out. But he is using his consistent obsession of control in wrong ways, in a two tier way and that's what the public don't like.

Hence him being the most unpopular PM this early in his tenure.

do you expect to be taken seriously?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Why do you keep trolling me, and disputing my dyslexia? Its a pretty low thing to do especially for a moderator, is power your thing? Squash the man in the street?
Ignored me if you like it might be the best thing for you.

Is it trolling? Or just a reaction to the endless stuff you post? Given the nature of your posts, surely you are expecting a reaction of some sort?

 

[dsr-burnley]

Eg withdrawal of winter fuel payouts for example are not “attacking pensioners” but redistributing public assistance where it is really needed - prioritising the needy. A pensioner with several private pensions and owning a million pound house does not need £500 of the taxpayers money to see them through the winter. (That’s a real life example btw)

The threshold at which fuel payments cease is a lot lower than your example. A pensioner with pension of £11,440 p.a. and no other income or savings is deemed to be too wealthy to get the benefit.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The threshold at which fuel payments cease is a lot lower than your example. A pensioner with pension of £11,440 p.a. and no other income or savings is deemed to be too wealthy to get the benefit.

Unless they have a means tested benefit. Over 900,000 people haven’t claimed what is due to them, either through not knowing or pride.

Housing benefit eligibility and how to claim | Age UK

Housing Benefit is a means-tested benefit that provides money to help people on a low income to cover their rent. Find out more on Age UK.

www.ageuk.org.uk

 

[ManOfSussex]

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[Berty23]

My old man is 79. He drives a Morgan during the summer months. He owns two houses, one of which he rents out while also having a full Royal Navy pension and 15 years working in local government and nhs so nice pensions there. I don’t know his income other than “it is more than yours” and I am close to 60k. He claims everything he can and loves it. He had a good rant about losing payments and I asked whether he needed it and he said “that is not the point” before going off on one about how is partner struggled with poor hospital care as they needed the bed. He would not tell me whether he voted Tory or reform. Either way he could not see that people like him getting loads of government handouts might in some way be linked to public services not being very good.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Unless they have a means tested benefit. Over 900,000 people haven’t claimed what is due to them, either through not knowing or pride.

Housing benefit eligibility and how to claim | Age UK

Housing Benefit is a means-tested benefit that provides money to help people on a low income to cover their rent. Find out more on Age UK.

www.ageuk.org.uk

So far as I know, the winter fuel allowance is restricted to those on pension credit, and pension credit is restricted (for single people) to those on less than £218.15 per week.

 

[taz]

Two tier keir robs the old age pensioners and let's them freeze, but gives his mates in the train drivers union a massive £9000 a year pay rise all nicely back dated, two tier keir ready to jail someone having a puff on their pipe in a beer garden but is blind and dumb as little girls are stabbed in the street out shopping with their mum, two tier keir frees the burglars the car thieves and the wife beaters from their prison cells to lock up grandmother's who shared a naughty post on face book,

 

[taz]

My old man is 79. He drives a Morgan during the summer months. He owns two houses, one of which he rents out while also having a full Royal Navy pension and 15 years working in local government and nhs so nice pensions there. I don’t know his income other than “it is more than yours” and I am close to 60k. He claims everything he can and loves it. He had a good rant about losing payments and I asked whether he needed it and he said “that is not the point” before going off on one about how is partner struggled with poor hospital care as they needed the bed. He would not tell me whether he voted Tory or reform. Either way he could not see that people like him getting loads of government handouts might in some way be linked to public services not being very good.

So he's worked hard all his life his taxes have paid for university buildings motorways, and new schools but he shouldn't get a measly £300 a year to help keep him warm, how about we stop child benefit handouts baby's have not contributed one penny to our economy and their parents have not even worked long enough to cover the amount spend on their education, and healthcare

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So far as I know, the winter fuel allowance is restricted to those on pension credit, and pension credit is restricted (for single people) to those on less than £218.15 per week.

No, it is any means tested benefit.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So he's worked hard all his life his taxes have paid for university buildings motorways, and new schools but he shouldn't get a measly £300 a year to help keep him warm, how about we stop child benefit handouts baby's have not contributed one penny to our economy and their parents have not even worked long enough to cover the amount spend on their education, and healthcare

At 76. I’ve done all that but don’t need the WFA. I had two children but didn’t receive child benefit for the first one.
That’s life.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Two tier keir robs the old age pensioners and let's them freeze, but gives his mates in the train drivers union a massive £9000 a year pay rise all nicely back dated, two tier keir ready to jail someone having a puff on their pipe in a beer garden but is blind and dumb as little girls are stabbed in the street out shopping with their mum, two tier keir frees the burglars the car thieves and the wife beaters from their prison cells to lock up grandmother's who shared a naughty post on face book,

Somehow, I don’t think wife beaters, usually male, would free up a prison cell, for a female remand prisoner. Nor do I think anyone smoking a pipe in a beer garden would go to prison.

 

[Berty23]

So he's worked hard all his life his taxes have paid for university buildings motorways, and new schools but he shouldn't get a measly £300 a year to help keep him warm, how about we stop child benefit handouts baby's have not contributed one penny to our economy and their parents have not even worked long enough to cover the amount spend on their education, and healthcare

Erm..child benefit has stopped for people with as much income as my old man. Income tax thresholds have been on hold for ages which is something called fiscal drag so taxing workers income.

personally I think older people should have a more reliable nhs than people like my dad getting handouts. Also a massive pension that current workers can only dream of.

 

[Is it PotG?]

This thread has become unreadable for me, as it’s just a string of people taking it in turns to waste their time responding to two posters who are not arguing coherently, sincerely or with any further motivation than getting a response.

It’s absolute lunacy to respond to anything @Is it PotG? or his new funtime pal @Right Brain Ronnie posts.

You challenge them, they don’t answer the question you ask, but instead open a new front of argument.

If you’re a mug, you follow them down the rabbit hole, patiently correcting their clearly absurd takes on almost everything, which they love. They don’t care that they’re wrong and they know they’re wrong, they just want to keep you engaged and typing back at them.

Strike out for sanity, put them on ignore and get on with your lives. Giving them the oxygen of responses just encourages them, they don’t argue in good faith, you may as well try to punch fog.

A little weak imho.

Ok, I'll bite,

Ask a sensible question, I'll see what i can do.

 

[rogersix]

Two tier keir robs the old age pensioners and let's them freeze, but gives his mates in the train drivers union a massive £9000 a year pay rise all nicely back dated, two tier keir ready to jail someone having a puff on their pipe in a beer garden but is blind and dumb as little girls are stabbed in the street out shopping with their mum, two tier keir frees the burglars the car thieves and the wife beaters from their prison cells to lock up grandmother's who shared a naughty post on face book,

Do you say two tier kier, just because it rhymes?

 

[A1X]

two tier keir frees the burglars the car thieves and the wife beaters from their prison cells to lock up grandmother's who shared a naughty post on face book,

I’d argue personally that people posting on Facebook that immigrants should be burned alive in their hotels should be locked up but maybe I’m in a minority on that one…

 

[Berty23]

I was in a rush earlier so didn’t reply properly. A further, and very important, point to make is that we need people to have more children in this country. The birth rates have plummeted and the long term impact of this is huge. If we don’t provide more support to people at the stage of life for setting up a home and potentially having children then I am fascinated to know where the people will be to pay for my pension when I retire. I am lucky. I am mid 40s. My kids are teenagers and I have only a few years left on my mortgage. How on earth people who are currently 23 - 33 years old are supposed to have enough money to buy a house and then start a family is beyond me. Rent is ridiculous which means people can’t afford to buy. Where parents have property and it is just two people living there now it would make sense for them to sell the family home and downsize so they can help their adult children buy a home but people don’t tend to want to do this. Obviously they don’t have to but then I don’t want any moaning when the country depends on immigrants to do the jobs!

So he's worked hard all his life his taxes have paid for university buildings motorways, and new schools but he shouldn't get a measly £300 a year to help keep him warm, how about we stop child benefit handouts baby's have not contributed one penny to our economy and their parents have not even worked long enough to cover the amount spend on their education, and healthcar

 

[dsr-burnley]

Which means it tops it up to the level of a full State Pension which is £221.20 per week. If you are on a full State Pension, you won’t be entitled to pension credits to top up your State Pension . However, you may be entitled to pension credit for housing costs, disability or careers allowance etc as TB pointed out above.

About Pension Credit

Pension Credit is an income-related benefit made up of two elements - Guarantee Credit and Savings Credit.

www.nidirect.gov.uk

OK, so some people on £11.5k per year will get fuel benefit and some won't. My point in the first place was that portraying this as a redistribution of wealth away from multi-millionaires towards poor people, is not an accurate reflection of the policy.

 

[El Presidente]

Ask a sensible question, I'll see what i can do.

Who would win in a fight between a honey badger and a Tasmanian Devil?