The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[GoldWithFalmer]

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2016/07/14/jeremy-corbyns-id-card-found-at-brighton-station/

 

[cunning fergus]

Wow. Class war. That attitude will make labour unelectable for ever. No compromise with the electrorate. I would rather have a labour lite government than a tory one. You clearly would rather have a tory government than have anyone who is not proper working class in the labour party. I genuinely dispair. And what would you do with me, a middle class person? Melt me down for glue?

You really need to get out more if you think my sentiment is a exhortation for class war.

Whilst class is important factor in my own political ideology, if you are middle class and want to support labour that's fine, however Labour and the Labour movement was not created to benefit the middle class. You lot don't need protection, your interests are not being sold out.

You don't care about protecting working class pay or their more general social conditions, and if you did you would advocate control/regulation of the labour market.

You don't, you want free market capitalism courtesy of the EU. It's why you and the other Tristrams' Lucianas' and Harriets' in the Labour Party are the problem, you want what the middle class want.

That's why you voted remain and working class area voted leave. I don't want you to be turned into glue, that's to good for Tories.

 

[Ernest]

An absolute must-read for anyone who thinks that Corbyn is either effective, considerate or part-way up to the job.

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More anti Corbyn smears, 'My boss Maria Eagle' indeed

 

[Ernest]

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2016/07/14/jeremy-corbyns-id-card-found-at-brighton-station/

Hopefully the security guard is sacked for breaching data protection laws

 

[Ernest]

Another Red Tory's past comes back to haunt him

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/07/entirely-fake-owen-smith/

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Another Red Tory's past comes back to haunt him

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/07/entirely-fake-owen-smith/

I think Red Tory is a great name for a new party.

 

[synavm]

I think many Labour members (particularly those that specifically joined to vote Corbyn) need to look at the situation and think are about 200 of the democratically elected Labour MPs, many of which you supported this time last month, really red Tories, or are you just in the wrong party?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You really need to get out more if you think my sentiment is a exhortation for class war.

Whilst class is important factor in my own political ideology, if you are middle class and want to support labour that's fine, however Labour and the Labour movement was not created to benefit the middle class. You lot don't need protection, your interests are not being sold out.

You don't care about protecting working class pay or their more general social conditions, and if you did you would advocate control/regulation of the labour market.

You don't, you want free market capitalism courtesy of the EU. It's why you and the other Tristrams' Lucianas' and Harriets' in the Labour Party are the problem, you want what the middle class want.

That's why you voted remain and working class area voted leave. I don't want you to be turned into glue, that's to good for Tories.

I think you need to stay in more . . . and think a bit more about your prejudices. I may be middle class (now), but I define that by my education, employment, aspirations, leisure activites etc, not my birth. But according to Marx, I work and I don't own the means of the production to which I contribute, so I am working class. Semantics, actually. I believe in fair reward for honest labour. I believe in collective action (trade unions). I believe in a nationalised health service (and don't start me on that - enough to say that it is being deliberatly destroyed by its idiological opponents). And a nationalised rail and postal service. But I don't think having to by a cooker from a nationalised gas board is remotely rational (its what we had to do when I was young). And I don't believe I have to support anyone who happens to find themself leader of the labour party. Corbyn is a shit leader, and Momentum are a bunch of bully boy scum (racist too, judging by their anti Jew posteuring). Is this why do you call me a tory? I would rather consider and weigh up evidence than swallow whole a political philosophy. And you think I am not even good enough to be melted down for glue? You presume to know why I voted Remain? Really. You sound like a sad bitter and deluded person to me.

 

[Titanic]

Red Tories on show in the House this afternoon...

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[Ernest]

Smith and Eagle FIGHTING to see who is getting a THRASHING from Comrade Corbyn #KEEPITCOMRADELY #NOLUZZINGBRICKS

 

[Titanic]

More red toryism from the backbenches...

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[Ernest]

Toby Perkins is a TORY so what

 

[Buzzer]

Toby Perkins is a TORY so what

A member of the Labour Party all his adult life, a Labour councillor from 2003-2011, ex-director of a co-operative and Labour MP since 2010 but your response (as always) is...he's a Tory. Brilliant analysis!

As Nick Cohen wrote, the best plant the Tories have got in the Labour Party is hardline Stalinist Seamus Milne. Did you know that Corbyn still hasn't made an official statement about the new Tory leader? Or that there hasn't been a single Labour press release or statement on anything since before Brexit?

 

[beorhthelm]

Did you know that Corbyn still hasn't made an official statement about the new Tory leader? Or that there hasn't been a single Labour press release or statement on anything since before Brexit?

is that true? even with the Trident vote, and events abroad, no press? Corbyn was on BBC catching a pokemon, so he clearly has his finger on the pulse of the nation.

 

[Buzzer]

is that true? even with the Trident vote, and events abroad, no press? Corbyn was on BBC catching a pokemon, so he clearly has his finger on the pulse of the nation.

There may have been in the last couple of days but according to the Manchester Evening News, nothing from before 23rd June right up until 13th July.

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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

A member of the Labour Party all his adult life, a Labour councillor from 2003-2011, ex-director of a co-operative and Labour MP since 2010 but your response (as always) is...he's a Tory. Brilliant analysis!

As Nick Cohen wrote, the best plant the Tories have got in the Labour Party is hardline Stalinist Seamus Milne. Did you know that Corbyn still hasn't made an official statement about the new Tory leader? Or that there hasn't been a single Labour press release or statement on anything since before Brexit?

It is utterly embarrassing. I fully expect Corbyn's first leaderly statement to be 'retreat'. Or 'Surrender!'. He has the heart of Arnold Judas Rimmer. And I am a lifelong labour voter.

I have a very long email from my brother, who lives in Portslade, from the local labour MP. It is a very sad endigtment of Corbyn. Best I not post it. Enough said

HWT

ps I fully expect the Momentum crew on here to forward this fact to the brick luzzers

 

[Ernest]

It is utterly embarrassing. I fully expect Corbyn's first leaderly statement to be 'retreat'. Or 'Surrender!'. He has the heart of Arnold Judas Rimmer. And I am a lifelong labour voter.

I have a very long email from my brother, who lives in Portslade, from the local labour MP. It is a very sad endigtment of Corbyn. Best I not post it. Enough said

HWT

ps I fully expect the Momentum crew on here to forward this fact to the brick luzzers

Anything Peter Vile has written is only fit to use for wiping your backside with

 

[Hampster Gull]

They are pink not blue. Can't believe how that mug ed miliband has set up an election process that has created this farce and let the hard left hold a party to ransom. Or is that a few union barons. The quicker there is a split the better. This guy is an imbecile.

 

[glasfryn]

To be honest, from what you're saying, I think you're a revolutionary socialist rather than a democratic Socialist/Social Democrat, and I don't think you'll find the solutions you're after in the Labour Party, even with Corbyn.

Now just to pick you up on the Labour Government , here are a list of Tony Blair's achievements in office:

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.

2. Low mortgage rates.

3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.

4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.

5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.

6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.

7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.

8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.

9. Employment was at its highest level ever.

10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.

11. 85,000 more nurses.

12. 32,000 more doctors.

13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.

14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.

15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.

16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.

17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.

18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities in 2007.

19. Restored city-wide government to London.

20. Record number of students in higher education.

21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.

22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.

23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.

25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.

27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.

28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.

29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.

30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.

31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.

32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.

33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.

34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.

35. Banned fox hunting.

36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.

37. Free TV licences for over-75s.

38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.

39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.

40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.

41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.

42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.

43. Free eye test for over 60s.

44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.

45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.

46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.

47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.

48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.

49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.

50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

Now, granted, Blair was FAR from perfect and the Tories might have pursued some of his policies, but to just say he pushed precisely the same Neo-Liberal policies as Thatcher is just rewriting history.

and overseen how many food banks?

 

[clapham_gull]

The centre ground has probably the most support in this country. But the country is a bit like Newcastle.

You know it should technically work but you end up with either John Major/Tony Blair and it all ends in tears.