The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[Titanic]

Apparently Corbyn's chief sidekick, John McDonnell, has a 'major' speech lined up for Friday morning. #surelynothimaswell

 

[Ernest]

And now the Labour MEPs have en masse and officially called for him to resign.

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Didn't they realise they were all sacked last Friday ? Comrade Corbyn is the only leader to ask for Article 50 to be invoked so there are no more UK MEP's. Just think if they had been more loyal they could have been candidates for 172 constituencies that need a Labour candidate

 

[Titanic]

Didn't they realise they were all sacked last Friday ? Comrade Corbyn is the only leader to ask for Article 50 to be invoked so there are no more UK MEP's. Just think if they had been more loyal they could have been candidates for 172 constituencies that need a Labour candidate

Have you been on the sherry? That makes even less sense than usual!

 

[Ernest]

Apparently Corbyn's chief sidekick, John McDonnell, has a 'major' speech lined up for Friday morning. #surelynothimaswell

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2016/06/jeremy-corbyn-not-standing-down-172-labour-mps-cannot-drown-out-democracy

 

[Buzzer]

Didn't they realise they were all sacked last Friday ? Comrade Corbyn is the only leader to ask for Article 50 to be invoked so there are no more UK MEP's. Just think if they had been more loyal they could have been candidates for 172 constituencies that need a Labour candidate

Corbyn will tear the Labour Party apart, it's a vanity project propped up by hard left entryists who have as little love for the Labour Party as the likes of Cameron and Johnson. You are looking at a pyrrhic victory that hands power to the Tories for generations to come.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Corbyn will tear the Labour Party apart, it's a vanity project propped up by hard left entryists who have as little love for the Labour Party as the likes of Cameron and Johnson. You are looking at a pyrrhic victory that hands power to the Tories for generations to come.

Well quite. It's the (over) principled sticking their heads in the sand. There's no point being in opposition all the time, even if you're very good at it. And Corbyn isn't even good at it.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Corbyn is making the Labour Party itself look weak.

If they can't remove Corbyn then who in their right mind would think Labour is capable of going toe to toe with Merkel / Putin / Trump / Juncker?

 

[Ernest]

Corbyn is making the Labour Party itself look weak.

If they can't remove Corbyn then who in their right mind would think Labour is capable of going toe to toe with Merkel / Putin / Trump / Juncker?

Corbyn has beaten off 172 rebels this week, smashed Hilary Benn into the OBLIVION he deserves to be so taking on Mrs Merkel or Donald Trump would be no problem. The only reason the country is in a mess is because Dodgy Dave was too weak to deal with his rebels unlike Jeremy Corbyn who has taken his on and given them a damn good thrashing

 

[Titanic]

Corbyn will tear the Labour Party apart, it's a vanity project propped up by hard left entryists who have as little love for the Labour Party as the likes of Cameron and Johnson. You are looking at a pyrrhic victory that hands power to the Tories for generations to come.

This + boundary changes + SNP eating Labour's lunch in Scotland.

 

[Biscuit]

If the Liberal Democrats fight the election on halting Brexit they'll win. Certainly, they'll have my vote.

 

[drew]

Corbyn has beaten off 172 rebels this week, smashed Hilary Benn into the OBLIVION he deserves to be so taking on Mrs Merkel or Donald Trump would be no problem. The only reason the country is in a mess is because Dodgy Dave was too weak to deal with his rebels unlike Jeremy Corbyn who has taken his on and given them a damn good thrashing

Really. If you say it often enough I suspect you will eventually believe it!!!!!

 

[Ernest]

The problem is that the 172 traitors aren't connected to their local parties , they were selected by Central Office under the rules made by Blair where idiots like Steven Kinnock get a safe seat due to who his father was. This is why Angela Eagles is defying her own party, the people who do all the work for her and this will come to an end soon.

If Dodgy Dave says go then that is the best reason to STAY !!!

 

[mona]

Corbyn has beaten off 172 rebels this week, smashed Hilary Benn into the OBLIVION he deserves to be so taking on Mrs Merkel or Donald Trump would be no problem. The only reason the country is in a mess is because Dodgy Dave was too weak to deal with his rebels unlike Jeremy Corbyn who has taken his on and given them a damn good thrashing

Find the truth that is hidden in this rant.

 

[Don Quixote]

The problem is that the 172 traitors aren't connected to their local parties , they were selected by Central Office under the rules made by Blair where idiots like Steven Kinnock get a safe seat due to who his father was. This is why Angela Eagles is defying her own party, the people who do all the work for her and this will come to an end soon.



If Dodgy Dave says go then that is the best reason to STAY !!!

What do you think should happen then? Get rid of 172 mps?

 

[cunning fergus]

Whatever happened to VISION, INSPIRATION, MOTIVATION and LEADERSHIP?

In politics these are important, but the most important value for me is commitment to a political position.

It's why Corbyn has let himself down by rejecting his long held views on the EU to keep the PLP happy.

It's also why the PLP are a disgrace, beyond their own ego and ambition they don't have a shred of political credibility. They are willing to say or do anything to get into power.

Terrifying really.

 

[cunning fergus]

Labour didn't lose the last election because it wasn't left wing enough. It was perceived as not having a coherent policy on immigration, not being pro business and still lacking economic credibility (yeah I know that the tories are probably screwed now on those too)

Nobody wins elections by appealing only to its core vote. As you've said yourself, many in the core labour areas went for ukip due to the immigration issue.

There is a positive coherent option and one which Caroline Lucas had suggested, that being that the rebate from Europe should be targetted at the public services in areas struggling due to increased populations ( not just EU migration) Ironically Wales and Cornwall would likely have got less but the east coast of the UK plus Yorkshire and Lancashire as well as the Midlands would have benefited

I agree with you about trust with the economy, but then that distrust was well founded.........and that was based on the change they made to the Labour Party's constitution to embrace free market capitalism.

Your point about appealing to everyone is part of the problem, Labour cannot reconcile its support. Sadly they have chosen to turn their back on the traditional working class and their interests for other constituencies.

This was a problem pre Corbyn, and the referendum only franks that reality. The fact that they have embraced UKIP shows just how far they have moved away from their corse support.

UKIP may well have a pernicious motive to control migration, however they are the only show in town when it comes to controlling the labour market. Had Labour returned to its core values they would be able to deny this ground to UKIP.

But they didn't listen, they told the working class that they had never had it so good.

 

[Ernest]

Seems like Angela Eagle will be the sacrificial lamb, bye bye Angela as your career in politics is now over. Nobody will vote for a disloyal waste of space like you, nobody voted for you as deputy leader last year and you came 4/4, you've been done up like a kipper by the Blairite faction.

 

[Diablo]

Corbyn has beaten off 172 rebels this week, smashed Hilary Benn into the OBLIVION he deserves to be so taking on Mrs Merkel or Donald Trump would be no problem. The only reason the country is in a mess is because Dodgy Dave was too weak to deal with his rebels unlike Jeremy Corbyn who has taken his on and given them a damn good thrashing

You as usual are living in some fantasy land !!!

 

[Bold Seagull]

In politics these are important, but the most important value for me is commitment to a political position.

It's why Corbyn has let himself down by rejecting his long held views on the EU to keep the PLP happy.

It's also why the PLP are a disgrace, beyond their own ego and ambition they don't have a shred of political credibility. They are willing to say or do anything to get into power.

Terrifying really.

The first thing a leader needs to be able to do is inspire confidence from their parliamentary party, once they have that, they can convince the country. There aren't many jobs you get elected in and out of so easily. For many it is their livelihood and career, it is scary to think at an election you're out of a job if you lose.

John Smith achieved this, and before his untimely death would have seen the Labour Party to a left wing general election victory. Tony Blair's reform and romp to victory in '97, wasn't a year zero from Blair taking over, John Smith had already united the party, was already putting the Tories to the sword, already storming the polls. John made Labour electable, he was far from a centrist Tory-lite puppet, or media manipulator, but he was as Labour through and through, understood the PLP, the members (one member one vote), and appealed to middle voters. Not through charisma, charm, or superficial notions of image, he was just a good honest convincing passionate bloke that made people believe and trust him.

The comparison is there with Kinnock stepping down after a narrow loss in '92 comparable to Miliband in '15. John Smith and Jeremy Corbyn both coming in on the back of a new kind of politics, a new kind of Labour Party. One succeeded inspiring the whole of the Labour movement they could win, the other, well...

 

[cunning fergus]

If Corbyn had campaigned as hard as he's now clinging desperately onto his job Remain might well have won. But in anycase, the point is Labour should be a pro-European party and millions of us were furious with his utterly lack lustre role.

If you man hangs on it will lead to electoral disaster at the next election. It'll be interesting to see how his totally out of touch views on immigration chime with working class communities who have made it clear that immigration is their number one issue. Is he listening " to what the people want"? in this respect? Of course not.

Corbyn stands no chance at a general election and if you can't see that, then it's you who are deluded. He needs to go.

I hope the unions will tell him that today.

You are not listening are you?

The traditional working class has rejected Labour and its message like never before, Corbyn could not have turned this around by campaigning harder because his message was not what they wanted to hear.

Practically the entire political class was for in, not least Labour, and yet in working class constituency after working class constituency the message for remain was rejected.

I don't know how old you are but I remember when Labour was anti EEC and the Tories were for it, so in my paradigm Labour has deserted its core ideological beliefs to embrace global capitalism. I am not alone, voters of a certain age and political persuasion understand this betrayal.

Labour should not be pro EU until the EU changes from its commitment to corporates and bankers. It's not socially progressive and never has been, it's why remain was bankrolled by the likes of JPMorgan and Goldman Sachs.........and supported by the Tories.