The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[Bozza]

I think 23 out of 31 have gone now - with the best will in the world you can't carry on as leader if (almost) everyone you work with thinks you are useless.

If nothing else at all, if [MENTION=1416]Ernest[/MENTION] is correct that all these treacherous MPs are to blame, then it indicates that Corbyn is a dreadful judge of character, choosing all these people to support him.

Beyond that, just how strong can this shadow cabinet be, given it's, at best, a B-Team now?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Was initially a big Corbyn fan, went so far as to rejoin the Labour Party post-Weird-Ed on the strengths of corbyn returning Labour to its core values. But he's just gone Weird Jeremy catatonic and appears unable to engage with even his own shadow cabinet let alone anybody else. Now seems to me that Andy Burnham is the starting point for shaping a modern independent socialist state. All things must pass. Especially Spitting Image buffoons like BJ and Nigel fookin Farage.

 

[JetsetJimbo]

This has nothing to do with the referendum. 63% of Labour voters voted Remain, which is massive for a party which has always had a Eurosceptic tendency in its ranks (for comparison, 64% of SNP voters voted remain, but nobody's calling for Sturgeon's head). It can't be about the referendum, the numbers prove that.

So what's it about then? Personally, I think former ambassador Craig Murray has hit the nail on the head here. It's about the Chilcott report, and Blair's need to have a more pliable leader in place before the report is debated in Parliament; Blair being condemned in Parliament by his own party leader (as would surely happen if Corbyn remains in post) would add to the growing clamour for him to face a war crimes trial.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/still-iraq-war-stupid/

 

[Gwylan]

Brexit: Jeremy Corbyn may have voted to Leave, claims Chris Bryant

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...emy-corbyn-may-have-voted-leave-a7105306.html

I was thinking this morning whether Corbyn's voting slip would turn up somewhere. He'd have an identifying number and I'm sure that a tabloid cheque could be very persuasive in getting a returning officer to reveal details. I know that it's unlikely to happen but I wouldn't rule it out.

But Bryant's claim that Labour would lose 150 seats is nonsense. The latest poll I saw had Tories and Labour neck-and-neck with a possible hung parliament

 

[Buzzer]

The latest poll I saw had Tories and Labour neck-and-neck with a possible hung parliament

Beware of reading too much into opinion polls a few months before a possible general election. People have got their fingers burnt before with this.

 

[Titanic]

Latest ICM/Guardian online poll (26-06-16):

Con 36%
Lab 32%
UKIP 15%
LDem 7%
Green 5%

 

[Titanic]

• 15:26 Sir Keir Starmer quits as Shadow Home Office minister.

 

[Gwylan]

Beware of reading too much into opinion polls a few months before a possible general election. People have got their fingers burnt before with this.

True. But it was Bryant who said "the latest poll suggests we'll lose 150 seats", whether it's accurate or not is not relevant - poll that's running neck-to-neck (with Labour up 3 points since the GE) is not one that's losing lots of seats

 

[Ernest]

Typo. I corrected it. Apparently Burnham won't go because it would affect his chances of securing the Manchester Mayor job.

Or because he is loyal ?

 

[Simster]

I was thinking this morning whether Corbyn's voting slip would turn up somewhere. He'd have an identifying number and I'm sure that a tabloid cheque could be very persuasive in getting a returning officer to reveal details. I know that it's unlikely to happen but I wouldn't rule it out.

But Bryant's claim that Labour would lose 150 seats is nonsense. The latest poll I saw had Tories and Labour neck-and-neck with a possible hung parliament

You honestly think Labour would have a chance in this election in their current mess? I'd love to know how many marginals the Lib Dems share with the two bigger parties - they can hoover up from this position if they play their cards right. I certainly wouldn't rule them out returning to goverment with a far more influential number of MPs than they had in 2010.

 

[Ernest]

Nice to see Comrade Corbyn SMASH the traitors in his speech, he has found out the hard way that snakes will one day turn round and bite you

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Latest ICM/Guardian online poll (26-06-16):

Con 36%
Lab 32%
UKIP 15%
LDem 7%
Green 5%

Labour need to get in bed with the Greens. Would be a very good fit. LibDems might as well disband.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Nice to see Comrade Corbyn SMASH the traitors in his speech, he has found out the hard way that snakes will one day turn round and bite you

He was remarkably gracious with Cameron. I am impressed.

 

[Buzzer]

Nice to see Comrade Corbyn SMASH the traitors in his speech, he has found out the hard way that snakes will one day turn round and bite you

Yeah. That certainly shut them up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8D-itbjThU

 

[Titanic]

He was remarkably gracious with Cameron. I am impressed.

Dead men walking.

 

[Gwylan]

You honestly think Labour would have a chance in this election in their current mess? I'd love to know how many marginals the Lib Dems share with the two bigger parties - they can hoover up from this position if they play their cards right. I certainly wouldn't rule them out returning to goverment with a far more influential number of MPs than they had in 2010.

No I don't. But I don't think they'll lose 150 seats though.

That's not the point I was making though: Chris Bryant said that the polls said Labour would lose 150 seats in the election and the one I saw had them level with Tories (which is not losing loads of seats) and even if you take the poll Titanic posted, that's still Lab up from its GE result.

Of course, as Buzzer says, polls don't have to be accurate but it wasn't me who started quoting polls as a guide

 

[beorhthelm]

This has nothing to do with the referendum. 63% of Labour voters voted Remain, which is massive for a party which has always had a Eurosceptic tendency in its ranks (for comparison, 64% of SNP voters voted remain, but nobody's calling for Sturgeon's head). It can't be about the referendum, the numbers prove that.

So what's it about then? Personally, I think former ambassador Craig Murray has hit the nail on the head here. It's about the Chilcott report

sounds like an odd conclusion, does the author have a general obsession with this issue? not sure where 63% comes from but major areas of Labour support voted to leave, the north east, north west, Wales, urban areas out of London, and they leave won in the battle ground areas like the midlands and east, where Labour would need to pick up seats in a GE. i dont think people quite appreciate from the headline 51% that only three regions, London, Scotland, NI, voted to remain.

 

[JetsetJimbo]

@beorthelm

The data came from Tory peer Michael Ashcroft's private polling. You can find it in full here:
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

 

[knocky1]

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[Seagull58]

Nice to see Comrade Corbyn SMASH the traitors in his speech, he has found out the hard way that snakes will one day turn round and bite you

You're living in a parallel universe. No offense intended but you really are. I give you credit for sticking to your beliefs, even if they are somewhat fantastical.