The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Centrist = more in touch with Tory values than traditional Labour values.

He won't be missed.

Again more nonsense. Are those the traditional labour values which has served the party so well recently?
It's Corbyn who won't be missed.

 

[NooBHA]

It's quite interesting reading how Jeremy Corbyn needs to be removed to make Labour electable. Sadly I feel that might be true but I am a core Corbyn supporter. And if they do decide to try and oust him, I would hope he would stand again and win convincingly again.

Part of me however wonders if it is not Corbyn and Labour Party direction that should change. I wonder if it would be the views of some of the electorate that should change. Maybe it will be that we will have a succession of right wing Tory Governments and that forces the Electorate to see what real misery could be heaped upon them and maybe when they get that. Perhaps then that might bring some people to their senses.

I hope that doesn't happen because it would cause many people so much misery and I might be lucky to see another Labour Government in my lifetime and I would never wish times such as the Thatcher years on anyone; however, that might be what it takes to make voters realise that life is difficult and you have to go out and graft if you want life to get better for yourself.

And maybe just maybe they give a true passing thought to the people less able than themselves to do that for themselves. They might just believe also that the right thing to do for those able to help others, actually do help.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

It's quite interesting reading how Jeremy Corbyn needs to be removed to make Labour electable.

Labour Party membership absolutely SURGED when Corbyn was elected leader. I personally rejoined the party (having left it following B.Liar's immoral and illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003) as did countless others. Probably Corbyn has relied WAY too heavily on that mandate and has mistakenly thought it made him untouchable as Labour leader. Him and his closest advisers are undoubtedly wrong on that score.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

A lot of what Corbyn says makes sense but he just can't articulate it in an engaging or meaningful way which resonates with the electorate. Labour need to win more votes, millions more, and to do that he needs to reach out beyond his core support which we now know is mostly middle class and metropolitan. I think he's a very decent and principled man but he just cannot appeal to those the party needs to woe to win a general election. Without power, you help and achieve nothing so he must make way for someone who has a better chance of doing that.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It's quite interesting reading how Jeremy Corbyn needs to be removed to make Labour electable. Sadly I feel that might be true but I am a core Corbyn supporter. And if they do decide to try and oust him, I would hope he would stand again and win convincingly again.

Part of me however wonders if it is not Corbyn and Labour Party direction that should change. I wonder if it would be the views ok some of the electorate that should change. Maybe it will be that we will have a succession of right wing Tory Governments and that forces the Electorate to see what real misery could be heaped upon them and maybe when they get that. Perhaps then that might bring some people to their senses.

I hope that doesn't happen because it would cause many people so much misery and I might be lucky to see another Government in my lifetime and I would never wish times such as the Thatcher years on anyone; however, that might be what it takes to make voters realise that life is difficult and you have to go out and graft if you want life to get better for yourself.

And maybe just maybe they give a true passing thought to the people less able than themselves to do that for themselves. They might just believe also that the right thing to do for those able to help others, actually do help.

If we knew what his policies were, his vision, agenda, we could perhaps know?

What we know at this point is that he doesn't inspire people, as a leader he's got to be able to sell his politics. I don't think he can.

Labour might not need a change in direction, but they need to be able to sell it.

 

[Bladders]

Corbyn always just comes across as an abrasive old socialist dinosaur.


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[cunning fergus]

Really.... so you want another old school union man then?.... good luck with that.

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I think you are missing the point, there are 2 wings of the Labour Party, they can appeal to 2 constituencies of Labour support.

On one side are the new labour Blairites, particularly in the PLP, with a constituency of the middle class. This group are personified by the likes of Tristram Hunt and Emily Thornberry.

On the other are the traditionalists, lead by Corbyn which can appeal to its working class constituency. This group would include the likes of John Mann and Dennis Skinner.

These 2 wings, and not least their respective support are irreconcilable.......one side wants an unrestricted EU labour market, the other wants to impose control to protect the interests of the poor and unskilled working class.

This collapse of the Labour Party will likely result in another SDP moment..........it has too, those in Brighton who want to follow a centrist social democratic ideology will align with Emily Thornberry. In Hartlepool they will sign with traditional socialists like Dennis Skinner.

It's the only way, as one way or another the Labour Party needs to flush out the Tories........(no pun intended).

 

[NooBHA]

If we knew what his policies were, his vision, agenda, we could perhaps know?

What we know at this point is that he doesn't inspire people, as a leader he's got to be able to sell his politics. I don't think he can.

Labour might not need a change in direction, but they need to be able to sell it.

I said as much in another post on another thread that , he is not so articulate and that it is the more articulate Labour Leaders who have been successful in the Elections. However Corbyn reflects me and my beliefs and my last post really was just to suggest that maybe people should perhaps experience true Right Wing Governments before they reject someone like Corbyn

 

[cunning fergus]

Again more nonsense. Are those the traditional labour values which has served the party so well recently?
It's Corbyn who won't be missed.

Traditional labour values include the common ownership of state assets by the workers for the workers, a value that Blair removed in order to embrace privatisation.

This policy of aggressive privatisation served capitalists only too well, and it's a policy that is enshrined in the EU via its competition law.

The workers have been thrown to the dogs, and are now confronting competition for their jobs, zero hour contracts and minimum wage pay.

They have not been served well, the referendum demonstrates this juxtaposition only too well.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I think you are missing the point, there are 2 wings of the Labour Party, they can appeal to 2 constituencies of Labour support.

On one side are the new labour Blairites, particularly in the PLP, with a constituency of the middle class. This group are personified by the likes of Tristram Hunt and Emily Thornberry.

On the other are the traditionalists, lead by Corbyn which can appeal to its working class constituency. This group would include the likes of John Mann and Dennis Skinner.

These 2 wings, and not least their respective support are irreconcilable.......one side wants an unrestricted EU labour market, the other wants to impose control to protect the interests of the poor and unskilled working class.

This collapse of the Labour Party will likely result in another SDP moment..........it has too, those in Brighton who want to follow a centrist social democratic ideology will align with Emily Thornberry. In Hartlepool they will sign with traditional socialists like Dennis Skinner.

It's the only way, as one way or another the Labour Party needs to flush out the Tories........(no pun intended).

There are 2 wings of the Labour Party;
1 that can be elected
1 that never will be

People like Dennis Skinner relish opposition more than having power. Easy to point fingers than actually lead a country that will never elect a truly left wing government.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I like Corbyn, but can't support his nuclear weapons stance so it's an OUT from me.

 

[beorhthelm]

Who ? None of them matter, let them all go

Six red Tories, thinking about themselves.

its no good getting all hauty about these MPs, he had to scrap around to fill the shadow cabinet posts, and he'll have trouble replacing them.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Traditional labour values include the common ownership of state assets by the workers for the workers, a value that Blair removed in order to embrace privatisation.

This policy of aggressive privatisation served capitalists only too well, and it's a policy that is enshrined in the EU via its competition law.

The workers have been thrown to the dogs, and are now confronting competition for their jobs, zero hour contracts and minimum wage pay.

They have not been served well, the referendum demonstrates this juxtaposition only too well.

I agree with your last sentence but talking neo Marxist language is unlikely to win you many votes. This is the challenge Labour now faces, trying to articulate a vision of the future which can appeal to those feeling so alienated by the political class whilst also broadening its reach to those whose votes they need from the Home Counties etc. That's going to be very difficult but a charismatic, clever leader might have a better chance than Corbyn.

 

[Bladders]

At least Diane Abbot is still there

 

[Bozza]

None of them will be missed but they won't be forgotten when it's time to vote

So Corbyn:

1. Surrounded himself with a shadow cabinet so poor that none of them will be missed when they leave.

2. Those same MPs are also utterly treacherous.

3. And they will now cost Labour votes at the next election.

Blimey, Corbyn has had an absolute shocker there.

 

[Don Quixote]

This is a pretty right wing country really. It is no coincidence a left wing government hasn't been elected in years. The Labour party has got to be centrist or red tory whatever they call it, because otherwise they will never win a general election. The shadow cabinet know this.

 

[mr sheen]

This is a pretty right wing country really. It is no coincidence a left wing government hasn't been elected in years. The Labour party has got to be centrist or red tory whatever they call it, because otherwise they will never win a general election. The shadow cabinet know this.

Especially without Scottish votes

 

[Ernest]

So Corbyn:

1. Surrounded himself with a shadow cabinet so poor that none of them will be missed when they leave.

2. Those same MPs are also utterly treacherous.

3. And they will now cost Labour votes at the next election.

Blimey, Corbyn has had an absolute shocker there.

As per our agreement I won't be responding to any of your posts

 

[glasfryn]

A lot of what Corbyn says makes sense but he just can't articulate it in an engaging or meaningful way which resonates with the electorate. Labour need to win more votes, millions more, and to do that he needs to reach out beyond his core support which we now know is mostly middle class and metropolitan. I think he's a very decent and principled man but he just cannot appeal to those the party needs to woe to win a general election. Without power, you help and achieve nothing so he must make way for someone who has a better chance of doing that.

what the PLP do not realise is that its matters not a fig what they think its the grass roots that make up nearly all the vote for a leader, which means that JC will probably get in again and those on the PLP will struggle to keep their seats in any GE

the general public might not love JC but he is at least honest and does not tell out and out lies

and who exactly can you replace him with ............the Miliband brother would be good ................but will he do it?

 

[Bladders]

As per our agreement I won't be responding to any of your posts

Have you been GAGGED! ?