The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[Bold Seagull]

I will remind you that leave won, there were more votes for leave than remain, had Corbyn kept true to his long held belief he would have been on the winning side.

As it was he is aligned to a PLP which has MPs like Tristram Hunt (snigger) who supported remain yet his working class constituents overwhelmingly voted out.

You're right, it's not stacking up is it?

You want to blame it on Hunt and his like even with the entire Scottish electorate staring you in the face. Truth is a revolutionary act, you're not even truthful to yourself. You've used the Scottish Labour vote so many times when it suits you, completely forgotten when it doesn't.

 

[cunning fergus]

You want to blame it on Hunt and his like even with the entire Scottish electorate staring you in the face. Truth is a revolutionary act, you're not even truthful to yourself. You've used the Scottish Labour vote so many times when it suits you, completely forgotten when it doesn't.

On the contrary, Scottish Labour with their long held commitment to socialism gave up on labour years ago. They saw through the Blairite illusion first in labour terms, and they want a return to old Labour Party values, not Tory millionaires like Eddie Izzard waffling on about how many marathons they have run.

They have not flocked to the SNP because they are pro independence they just can't bring themselves to vote labour until labour re-calibrates itself as party grounded in its socialist roots that supports the traditional working class.

You think a policy of re-nationalising the rail and utilities would not be popular in Scotland?

 

[Bold Seagull]

On the contrary, Scottish Labour with their long held commitment to socialism gave up on labour years ago. They saw through the Blairite illusion first in labour terms, and they want a return to old Labour Party values, not Tory millionaires like Eddie Izzard waffling on about how many marathons they have run.

They have not flocked to the SNP because they are pro independence they just can't bring themselves to vote labour until labour re-calibrates itself as party grounded in its socialist roots that supports the traditional working class.

You think a policy of re-nationalising the rail and utilities would not be popular in Scotland?

You think a policy of leaving the EU would have been?

 

[cunning fergus]

You think a policy of leaving the EU would have been?

Had leave been lead by the likes of Graham Stringer then I think that vote in Scotland could have been different.

For deeply Anti Tory Scots to vote remain in accordance with the Tories is an outlier to me.........one thing that is for certain is the Labour Party in its current guise is as toxic as the Tories.

Corbyn (once again) missed a trick to regain the traditional working class vote........Scots in that regard are no different from their English and Welsh working class counterparts.

 

[Machiavelli]

Logical thinking isn't it.........

The one thing it isn't is logical, which involves slow, careful steps, rather than giant, dubiously connected leaps. But it does raise the question of whether such major issues can be logically combined, which I suspect it can't.

 

[Titanic]

This one made me chuckle this morning...

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[Chief Wiggum]

thats just what i was thinking when Gove, Fox, Farage and others were campaigning, they are all about the socialist vision.

There were plenty on the far left who supported Brexit, including the RMT.

http://www.leftleave.org/lexit-statement-on-the-vote-to-leave-the-european-union/

 

[Gwylan]

There were plenty on the far left who supported Brexit, including the RMT.

http://www.leftleave.org/lexit-statement-on-the-vote-to-leave-the-european-union/

Leave was also the official policy of the SWP, both Socialist parties and the Communist Party

 

[beorhthelm]

There were plenty on the far left who supported Brexit, including the RMT.

http://www.leftleave.org/lexit-statement-on-the-vote-to-leave-the-european-union/

and plenty on the left that supported remain. the point being, there is no clear correlation between EU vote and political persuasion. hard left and hard right rubbed shoulders on the Leave camp, the vote to leave does not show an upswell of support for socialism.

 

[WonderingSoton]

I see it will end up in courts after all, with a case being submitted by a Labour donor because Corbyn is on the list. It'll probably take even longer to straighten it out now. Farce.

 

[Brian Fantana]

It's a really, really tricky situation for the Labour Party. If JC stays in charge, they'll still continue to be a farce as the official opposition because you'll have a leader who doesn't command the respect of the vast majority of his parliamentary party and cannot properly form a Shadow Cabinet, yet enjoys the total support of the vast majority of the members.

If they get rid of JC, they risk totally decimating the support of their core membership, yet potentially widening the appeal of the party in the middle ground and having a better shot of winning the next election.

As tough a decision as it is, based on the above surely JC has got to go?

 

[cunning fergus]

and plenty on the left that supported remain. the point being, there is no clear correlation between EU vote and political persuasion. hard left and hard right rubbed shoulders on the Leave camp, the vote to leave does not show an upswell of support for socialism.

Not in your view however the EU imposes a free labour market within its borders.

It's a core requirement of members to accept this requirement, and it is deeply unpopular in the UK and other EU countries where the principle has driven down wages and general quality of life for the poor in those countries.

A vote to control your labour market is a vote for a socialist policy. Had Corbyn conveyed his socialist views through this paradigm then he would have parked his tanks on UKIP territory and would have been able to regain the working class votes in working class areas up and down the country.

Instead he jumped in with the PLP who don't want to control the UK labour market because they are tories and they love cheap labour.......which is why a Viscount's son like Tristram Hunt was for in and 70% of his constituents were out.

 

[c0lz]

I see it will end up in courts after all, with a case being submitted by a Labour donor because Corbyn is on the list. It'll probably take even longer to straighten it out now. Farce.

Seems to think it will be only a matter of days , Mr Foster has instructed lawyers and claims that if the case is heard, a ruling could be made within days. So We see.



Labour donor mounts legal challenge against decision to guarantee Jeremy Corbyn a place on leadership ballot

Labour donor is taking the party's executive committee to court over the decision to guarantee Jeremy Corbyn would automatically be included on a leadership ballot.

Michael Foster, a former parliamentary candidate, is lodging an application with the High Court in a bid to overturn the ruling made by Labour's National Executive Committte (NEC).

The veteran socialist is being challenged for the leadership by senior MP Angela Eagle, after losing the confidence of 75 percent of Labour MPs.

If Corbyn had not been automatically allowed to stand, he may have struggled to obtain the 51 nominations necessary from Labour MPs or MEPs to stand.

After closed-door discussions lasting almost six hours, the 33 members of Labour's NEC voted to include Corbyn on the leadership ballot, by 18 votes to 14.

Tom Watson, the deputy Labour leader, said: "This legal challenge is very unhelpful and destabilising to the Labour Party. The NEC made a decision.

More...http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...legal-challenge-against-decision-to-guarante/

 

[JC Footy Genius]

It's a really, really tricky situation for the Labour Party. If JC stays in charge, they'll still continue to be a farce as the official opposition because you'll have a leader who doesn't command the respect of the vast majority of his parliamentary party and cannot properly form a Shadow Cabinet, yet enjoys the total support of the vast majority of the members.

If they get rid of JC, they risk totally decimating the support of their core membership, yet potentially widening the appeal of the party in the middle ground and having a better shot of winning the next election.

As tough a decision as it is, based on the above surely JC has got to go?

Corbyn and his fellow hard left cronies will use any tactic to stay in place.

Jeremy Corbyn has been accused by a tearful member of Labour’s National Executive Committe (NEC) of failing in his duty to protect colleagues from bullying and intimidation.

The accusation comes in the wake of a fraught five-hour meeting at which Mr Corbyn survived what his aides saw as an attempt by the party machine to oust him from the leadership.

Johanna Baxter, one of six representatives of local constituency parties on Labour’s 32 member executive, said that she had received threats before the meeting, and had her personal contact details posted online by “certain groups within the party.” ...

Before the main vote, the executive had a highly charged argument over whether there should be a secret ballot or a show of hands. One woman member, who has recently had a stalker sectioned, was “in tears” as she “begged the leader for a secret ballot,” Ms Baxter told the BBC Radio 4’s World at One programme. Other members had complained about “intimidating and bullying behaviour,” she said.

But Mr Corbyn voted with the minority who opposed to a secret ballot.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-from-bullying-and-intimidation-a7135081.html

 

[Bozza]

Michael Foster has only given the Labour Party c£400,000. He's clearly a closet Tory and the party would be better without his sort. A few of the standard bricks through windows and/or death threats should see him off.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Michael Foster has only given the Labour Party c£400,000. He's clearly a closet Tory and the party would be better without his sort. A few of the standard bricks through windows and/or death threats should see him off.

It's a big closet for all these closet Tories....

 

[Ernest]

Hopefully Angela Eagle's supporters will respect their opponents in the vote and stop the bullying and intimidation

 

[Bold Seagull]

Hopefully Angela Eagle's supporters will respect their opponents in the vote and stop the bullying and intimidation

She'd be an absolute disaster. Can only hope she steps aside quickly to allow a less damaging election to take place.

 

[London Irish]

Michael Foster has only given the Labour Party c£400,000. He's clearly a closet Tory and the party would be better without his sort. A few of the standard bricks through windows and/or death threats should see him off.

Yes, he's a supporter of Israeli war crimes against the Palestinian people, and while we all know brown coloured people in far off lands don't matter, I don't want his money and I don't want any political party funded by the squalid corruption of donations of businessmen buying influence. Bernie Sanders in the US has shown us the way, the most money raised by small donations from ordinary people - that's true democracy

 

[London Irish]

Corbyn and his fellow hard left cronies will use any tactic to stay in place.

Jeremy Corbyn has been accused by a tearful member of Labour’s National Executive Committe (NEC) of failing in his duty to protect colleagues from bullying and intimidation.

The accusation comes in the wake of a fraught five-hour meeting at which Mr Corbyn survived what his aides saw as an attempt by the party machine to oust him from the leadership.

Johanna Baxter, one of six representatives of local constituency parties on Labour’s 32 member executive, said that she had received threats before the meeting, and had her personal contact details posted online by “certain groups within the party.” ...

Before the main vote, the executive had a highly charged argument over whether there should be a secret ballot or a show of hands. One woman member, who has recently had a stalker sectioned, was “in tears” as she “begged the leader for a secret ballot,” Ms Baxter told the BBC Radio 4’s World at One programme. Other members had complained about “intimidating and bullying behaviour,” she said.

But Mr Corbyn voted with the minority who opposed to a secret ballot.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-from-bullying-and-intimidation-a7135081.html

Would you be in favour of MPs voting by secret ballot then, following Jo Cox?