The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[Brovion]

Benn, Umana, etc don't have much of a career ahead of them as members of an unelectable party - better to take a deep breath, form a grand alliance with the pro-EU centrist wing of the Conservative Party (who also won't have much of a career ahead of them when the Fat Philanderer takes over), force a general election and fight it on a Stop the Negotiations ticket. Wait a few months for the economic disasters of 23 June to start biting and, who knows.

Yeah, that's possibly an option. One of the things this referendum has thrown up is a new division in British (or at least English and Welsh politics). The Establishment vote (Remain) came largely from the metropolitain areas. The "F**k you" vote came from an alliance of the Tory Shires and the old Labour heartlands, two areas that believe they've been abandoned and shat on by all the traditional metro-centric parties. Maybe we need new parties to reflect these new divisions.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

We all knew that though. It's totally meaningless, it has no clout.

I agree with Ernest and Lincoln Imp, the future has to be a new centrist party. Corbyn is not going to lose an election of the members and the centre are going to feel more and more uncomfortable, time to go and start anew, And there are going to be pro-EU Tories increasingly unhappy with their party, ready to join them.

It's going to be fun ....

If a vote of no confidence is passed against Corbyn on a day-to-day level how on earth can he operate at Westminster? He would be laughed out of the chamber and his position would be totally untenable despite what the £3 brigade think. Forming a new party would be throwing the baby out with the bath water but some form of electoral pact with other parties may be an option at the next election, if Corbyn is no longer leader. If he is, then Boris will walk the next election. I think Corbyn is someone who genuinely thinks about helping others less fortunate than himself but he's also a very weak leader. He has to go.

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[brakespear]

Tom Watson

 

[nickrhodes]

Last thing the Labour Party need is another METROPOLITAN elite in charge especially one who already BOTTLED out of standing for the leaders job

By Metropolitan elite. I am assuming you mean someone fortunate enough to be well educated and have more than one brain cell. That is exactly what we DO need

This is not Nick Rhodes. He'd kill me for writing this !

 

[nickrhodes]

Tom Watson

Tom Watson is a no brighter than Corbyn. Another socialist loon with one brain cell. Try to be serious

This is not Nick Rhodes.

 

[brakespear]

Tom Watson is a no brighter than Corbyn. Another socialist loon with one brain cell. Try to be serious

This is not Nick Rhodes.

Your opinion. Although I wasn't being altogether serious I do have a lot of time for Tom Watson. And there doesn't seem to be an awful lot of choice (if you don't want a New Labout leader anyway). John McDonnell would get a lot of stick about comments he has made in the past I reckon.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Last thing the Labour Party need is another METROPOLITAN elite in charge especially one who already BOTTLED out of standing for the leaders job

Was patently just BIDING his time. Chuka Umunna was all fired up on the BBC this morning. Young and smart and feisty enough to take The Labour Party where it needs to be. Gets my vote.

 

[Biscuit]

We need another Blair. Only without the illegal wars. Someone good with the media, tactically astute, comfortable in the center. A natural leader with an anti-austerity mandate.

 

[nickrhodes]

Your opinion. Although I wasn't being altogether serious I do have a lot of time for Tom Watson. And there doesn't seem to be an awful lot of choice (if you don't want a New Labout leader anyway). John McDonnell would get a lot of stick about comments he has made in the past I reckon.

I totally agree with you there's isn't much choice. But sometimes someone unfancied pops up, someone not on the radar. Think this is not out of the question. Apologies didn't mean to sound harsh

This is not Nick Rhodes

 

[Gwylan]

If a vote of no confidence is passed against Corbyn on a day-to-day level how on earth can he operate at Westminster?

But he already has been operating there ... despite the lack of support.

Put it another way, how can party leaders operate without the support of 70% of the members? Trying to oust him would lose huge swaths of grass-root support

 

[nickrhodes]

We need another Blair. Only without the illegal wars. Someone good with the media, tactically astute, comfortable in the center. A natural leader with an anti-austerity mandate.

Agree.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Was patently just BIDING his time. Chuka Umunna was all fired up on the BBC this morning. Young and smart and feisty enough to take The Labour Party where it needs to be. Gets my vote.

The Labour heartland have just seemingly resoundingly rejected the views of Chuka Umunna. JC is a Eurosceptic who has the result he wanted ! seems like he may be more in tune with voters than you think.

 

[Stoo82]

Labour need to realise that although the 'working class' detest the Conservatives, they are not necessarily exclusively 'left wing'.

 

[Ernest]

Was patently just BIDING his time. Chuka Umunna was all fired up on the BBC this morning. Young and smart and feisty enough to take The Labour Party where it needs to be. Gets my vote.

Good job you haven't got ONE then

 

[Gwylan]

A natural leader with an anti-austerity mandate.

Ah, there's the rub,.Corbyn won, not because he's a natural leader (he's not) but because he offered an anti-austerity vision. All five other candidates (before two dropped out) all offered more of the same.

If there's a younger, dynamic anti-austerity MP out there, I'm sure he or she would be embraced by the membership, but they're not going to vote for another Blairite.

I'd also suggest that with his Eurosceptic views, Corbyn is more in touch with the electorate than the pro-European centre

 

[Ernest]

Ah, there's the rub,.Corbyn won, not because he's a natural leader (he's not) but because he offered an anti-austerity vision. All five other candidates (before two dropped out) all offered more of the same.

If there's a younger, dynamic anti-austerity MP out there, I'm sure he or she would be embraced by the membership, but they're not going to vote for another Blairite.

I'd also suggest that with his Eurosceptic views, Corbyn is more in touch with the electorate than the pro-European centre

Exactly , any candidate that wants to commit career suicide by just copying Tory policies won't get a sniff of the leaders job. Liz Kendall the ultra Blairite got 4% in the leadership contest, nuff said

 

[mr sheen]

Dan Jarvis should have a more senior role

 

[ROSM]

Exactly , any candidate that wants to commit career suicide by just copying Tory policies won't get a sniff of the leaders job. Liz Kendall the ultra Blairite got 4% in the leadership contest, nuff said

It's easy

All anybody has to do is invent a mythical amount of money that could be saved from stopping something (perhaps rail travel) and then say you will use it for the nhs

Once elected say it was a mistake but it's too late to change

Simples

 

[WonderingSoton]

Andy Burnham.

Labour has a huge problem now. The disconnect between the Europhile Labour establishment and the Leave voting core support in North England and Wales is staggering. Labour have already lost Scotland.

The Labour party is on it's death bed right now, and needs something dramatic if it is to recover.

 

[Boy Blue]

He's going nowhere and good on him. He's doing a fantastic job and hope it continues.