The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[ken tiler]

Absolutely. The problem is that there is very little room for movement for pragmatic and realistic voices within the Labour Party as it stands right now. It's why I left.

What is unrealistic about current labour policies? What kind of pragmatic changes are you suggesting?

 

[beorhthelm]

What is unrealistic about current labour policies?

maybe you could outline some of their current policies. Corbyn certainly isnt. as far as i can tell they are in "conversation" with policy consisting of saying an area is in crisis and they will do something to fix it. only firm policies one can pick up are £500bn spending (borrowed), build a million homes in 5 years (about 30k a year more than current, so hardly ground breaking), split on Trident and split on Europe. theres not much else of note.

execpt of course their policy of preventing any internal soft coup from derailing their hijack of the party of the harder socialist elements of the party. quite alot about that.

 

[ken tiler]

Some of Corbyns policies are outlined here:- http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/policies. They dont seem to be asking for a hard line marxist state like the old soviet union. More in line with some Scandanavian countries. All seems quite reasonable to me. I disagree with your point about the hijacking of the party. On the contrarty, the party was hi-jacked by right wingers in the 80s. Its now trying to return to its soft left roots. Its just that politics has veered so far to the right in this country over the years since Thatcher, that even policies that some conservative leaders such as Macmillan would have proposed would now be regarded as hard left.

 

[beorhthelm]

Some of Corbyns policies are outlined here:-

the Labour party is not the same thing as Jeremy Corbyn. or prehaps it is, and herein lies the truth of the current party malaise.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

Its now trying to return to its soft left roots. Its just that politics has veered so far to the right in this country over the years since Thatcher, that even policies that some conservative leaders such as Macmillan would have proposed would now be regarded as hard left.

Well quite, which is why Corbyn is an utter irrelevance now. The country has moved on from his political position.... and the country isn't coming back any time soon. That's EXACTLY the problem for Corbyn, and why he should go

 

[cheshunt seagull]

What is unrealistic about current labour policies? What kind of pragmatic changes are you suggesting?

Working with other parties which favour a broad anti-austerity, anti-hard Brexit position. There is a significant proportion of the electorate which supports this position but it is divided right now and no single party can represent it. This plays into the hands of the right. This may mean compromising some policies but I think that the stakes are so high now that it is suicide to obstinately go it alone and pretend that Labour can form a government on it's own.

 

[Titanic]

Owen Jones, the lefties favourite fanboy, sticks his size 5's in to Corbyn...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/01/corbyn-staying-not-good-enough?CMP=twt_gu

"So what now? Corbyn is a decent, honourable and principled man. He has to make a decision, and so do his parliamentary opponents. Whatever happens with the leadership, he needs to set out a clear and coherent strategy about how exactly Labour can overcome its existential crisis. Since the byelection rout, he has made it clear he isn’t going anywhere without even offering the vaguest outlines about how to turn it around. That isn’t good enough: again, consider the stakes. Both he and his team have to think hard. If Corbyn decides he is unable to confront the multiple existential crises enveloping Labour, then an agreement should be struck where he can stand down in exchange for the guarantee of an MP from the new generation on the ballot paper who is committed to the policies that inspired Corbyn’s supporters in the first place. It is up to both Corbyn and the parliamentary Labour party. They should both be aware that history is a savage judge."

 

[Ernest]

Another Wednesday another THRASHING for the hideously INCOMPETENT May at PMQ's and just for starters we had RAIL Minister Paul Maynard showing himself in his TRUE colours

#2020JCVICTORY

 

[Titanic]

YouGov (27-28th Feb) Westminster voting intention:

CON: 42% (+1)
LAB: 25% (-)
UKIP: 12 (-1)
LDEM: 11% (-)

#BONKERS

 

[Ernest]

YouGov (27-28th Feb) Westminster voting intention:

CON: 42% (+1)
LAB: 25% (-)
UKIP: 12 (-1)
LDEM: 11% (-)

#BONKERS

#fakenews

 

[Titanic]

Another Wednesday another THRASHING for the hideously INCOMPETENT May at PMQ's and just for starters we had RAIL Minister Paul Maynard showing himself in his TRUE colours

#2020JCVICTORY

Latest YouGov leadership poll: Theresa May is ahead of Jeremy Corbyn with all the following groups:

All voters: May 49% – 15% Corbyn
Leave voters: May: 71% – 8% Corbyn
Remain voters: May 35% – 24% Corbyn
Tory voters: May 95% – 0% Corbyn
UKIP voters: May 66% – 4% Corbyn
LibDem voters: May 30% – 15% Corbyn
2015 Tory voters: May 85% – 3% Corbyn
2015 UKIP voters: May 70% – 7% Corbyn
2015 LibDem voters: May 41% – 12% Corbyn
Men: May 53% – 14% Corbyn
Women: May 46% – 15% Corbyn
18-24 year-olds: May 31 – 23% Corbyn
25-49 year-olds: May 39% – 18% Corbyn
50-64 year-olds: May 58% – 12% Corbyn
65+ voters: May 70% – 6% Corbyn
ABC1 voters: May 52% – 14% Corbyn
C2DE voters: May 46% – 15% Corbyn
London voters: May 41% – 18% Corbyn
Rest of Southern voters: May 55% – 12% Corbyn
Midlands / Welsh voters: May 55% – 12% Corbyn
Northern voters: May 46% – 18% Corbyn
Scottish voters: May 39% – 17% Corbyn

(Corbyn is ahead with Labour voters, but only by 53% to 11%)

#MoreFakeNews

 

[beorhthelm]

Latest YouGov leadership poll: Theresa May is ahead of Jeremy Corbyn with all the following groups:

the 18-24 yo and London are the real surprises there, cant even engage with the liberal metro or youth.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

the 18-24 yo and London are the real surprises there, cant even engage with the liberal metro or youth.

11 % of LABOUR voters favouring Theresa May isn't great either !

 

[Weststander]

Another Wednesday another THRASHING for the hideously INCOMPETENT May at PMQ's and just for starters we had RAIL Minister Paul Maynard showing himself in his TRUE colours

#2020JCVICTORY

In the real world of the electorate and public opinion, Corbyn, Abbott and Momentum have made Labour a laughing stock, unelectable. They only represent the bitter left in London, Brighton and other cities, which too narrow to have any chance of winning general elections.

 

[happypig]

I'm quite left wing (actually make that very left wing), much more so than the average man in the street but I realise that I'm not going to convince the average person to renationalise utilities, scrap trident and abolish the monarchy. I don't think Corbyn realises this and he thinks that being nice and re-iterating arguments rather than moderating his stance will somehow win back the voters Labour lost to the SNP and UKIP.
Time for him to go I'm afraid

 

[jakarta]

I'm quite left wing (actually make that very left wing), much more so than the average man in the street but I realise that I'm not going to convince the average person to renationalise utilities, scrap trident and abolish the monarchy. I don't think Corbyn realises this and he thinks that being nice and re-iterating arguments rather than moderating his stance will somehow win back the voters Labour lost to the SNP and UKIP.
Time for him to go I'm afraid

Tories quite happy to have him in post for many years, as I have said several times on this thread, I'll bet Theresa May can't believe her luck...

 

[Weststander]

Tories quite happy to have him in post for many years, as I have said several times on this thread, I'll bet Theresa May can't believe her luck...

How could anyone disagree with that - Corbyn, or any Momentum minded replacement, gives the government an unassailable lead in the polls and future elections.

 

[Soulman]

In the real world of the electorate and public opinion, Corbyn, Abbott and Momentum have made Labour a laughing stock, unelectable. They only represent the bitter left in London, Brighton and other cities, which too narrow to have any chance of winning general elections.

Another point often missed is that no matter who Labour have as leader, they will not be trusted. Many voters have not forgotten the cock ups they made, many working class are not going to forgive and be let down yet again.

 

[synavm]

You could have Dan Jarvis or Hilary Benn in as leader and I fear that the tide might not be turned. I believe the damage is done and Labour are now on a downward trajectory that can't be stopped. Just a matter of time before they're replaced, I just hope there is some sort of Social Democratic Party that are there to pick up the pieces rather than UKIP.

 

[Amazorblade]

I'm quite left wing (actually make that very left wing), much more so than the average man in the street but I realise that I'm not going to convince the average person to renationalise utilities, scrap trident and abolish the monarchy. I don't think Corbyn realises this and he thinks that being nice and re-iterating arguments rather than moderating his stance will somehow win back the voters Labour lost to the SNP and UKIP.
Time for him to go I'm afraid

Strange comment - I thought labour lost votes to the SNP because they were too Blairite and right wing for Scottish voters . Also, I dont think its Labour policy at the moment to abolish Trident nor the Monarchy. Forgive me for saying so, but you dont sound very left wing.