The jailed Saints fans - "Battle" of Maze Hill

[Turkey]

Has this been covered on NSC before?

Very intresting stuff. Quite scary as well. Wonder what you lot make of it.

The Story

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1-1101657,00.html

The Alternative POV
http://www.saintsforever.com/mazehill.html

Saints Forum Discussion
http://saintschat.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=21461&highlight=

 

[Beach Hut]

Intersting stuff and very difficult to judge.

Conspiracy to commit offences can often cause debate like this.

Very good piece from the Saints fan

 

[Balti Pie Man]

The trouble is, alot of police think we are hooligans just because we go to football and maybe have a drink or two before the game!!

I have been to a number of England away games and have followed the Albion for about 23 years now so I suppose I can expect to be collared by the law very shortly....

 

[Beach Hut]

However it has to be said it did kick-off at Maze Hill Station as 45 people happened to all be at the same place at the same time.

 

[Turkey]

It seems like their is so little evidence though.

I can just see myself sending a text to Fatboy saying, "Up for Swindon".

Then going to a game and somehow finding ourseleves in a confrontation.

Then you get banged up. All seems a bit wish-washy to me.

 

[Turkey]

However it has to be said it did kick-off at Maze Hill Station as 45 people happened to all be at the same place at the same time.

The CCTV doesn't show this though. It just shows people standing around.

 

[Beach Hut]

The CCTV doesn't show this though. It just shows people standing around.

Possibly but the report says 3 people went to hospital ?

 

[Balti Pie Man]

I think the vast majority of us have probably been caught up in the middle of a bit of 'trouble' by total accident but does that mean we are hooligans.

The evidence sounds very dodgy to be honest.

 

[Beach Hut]

It may well be dodgy evidence against them but I suspect the "hunger for a conviction" and all the police resources used meant there was a need for a conviction

 

[Soton Seagull]

Some of the evidence sounds dodgy, but then again there is mention of people organising on the net and by mobile etc. We have no knowledge either way other than the accounts read on those sites.

They may well be innocent, but isn't it strange that whenever any one that someone knows is convicted they have been 'stitched' and are 'innocent'? Nearly everyone is a 'sound bloke' etc to someone. Who knows what extra-curricular activities any of us have?

 

[Ernest]

Why would Charlton want to fight with Southampton ? I dare say they'll be released with a nice big pile of compo like all the other hooligan trials.

 

[NMH]

Some of the evidence sounds dodgy, but then again there is mention of people organising on the net and by mobile etc. We have no knowledge either way other than the accounts read on those sites.

They may well be innocent, but isn't it strange that whenever any one that someone knows is convicted they have been 'stitched' and are 'innocent'? Nearly everyone is a 'sound bloke' etc to someone. Who knows what extra-curricular activities any of us have?

"No thugs in OUR house" went that nice XTC ditty. It's also a funny part of the 'Clockwork Orange' film, where Alex's parents ask him what he gets up to at nights, and he basically tells hem "this and that, helping people and the like".
Mums never think THEIR little boy would do anything nasty, but you have to realise that these twats are a product of parental mis/lack-of/guidance, so these dullard parents are obviously lacking in the knowledge department anyway. It's integral to the whole picture that these yobs are stuck in the 3year-old stage when it was 'naughty' but funny to test their boundaries, and Dad didn't take care of it then so they never grow up and out of it.
Sadly there are many of them, and the fuzz are happy sometimes to let them beat the crud out of each other as a 'self-fulfilling' end to the social politic. They are happy to let gangs and gang-bangers kill each other in America, because it mean there will be less of them to go around doing crimes to the people the police want to protect and serve.
One societal answer to the hoolie problem is to take an extra hard-line, and stop them in their tracks with punishments as early as possible.