[Football] The International Football Myth

[Eeyore]

Someone online in my feed said that Lewis Dunk is not international standard.

I would agree that Dunk is a decent defender, although I have always felt that if he was one of the best four in England then the side must be weaker in defence than we would hope. I appreciate that comment needs a tin hat on with some.

But he is international standard purely on the basis that he holds down a place in a top half Premier League team.

International standard is not a step up for me. In all bar a handful of teams it is a step down. Look at Argentina's midfield. Two of our players, not automatic starters, are in there. Brazil's midfield mostly comes from teams around us.

I wonder how many international teams would actually make the top half of the Premier League ?

 

[jonny.rainbow]

International class = good enough to play for an international football team be it Germany or Gibraltar.

World class = good enough to hold down a place in any club or country side anywhere in the world.

 

[beorhthelm]

its a weird "standard" because if your nationality happens to be one of the smaller countries, you can be an international at quite a lot poorer ability than those of larger nations.

really what its saying is, he isn't quite good enough for the team or expectations. and a lot of it is those expectations.

 

[Exilegull]

Think 6 or 7 national teams would go top 10 if they trained together like clubs do. Not even Chelsea or Manchester City could afford a squad like the French one with 25 top players

 

[Wardy's twin]

Someone online in my feed said that Lewis Dunk is not international standard.

I would agree that Dunk is a decent defender, although I have always felt that if he was one of the best four in England then the side must be weaker in defence than we would hope. I appreciate that comment needs a tin hat on with some.

But he is international standard purely on the basis that he holds down a place in a top half Premier League team.

International standard is not a step up for me. In all bar a handful of teams it is a step down. Look at Argentina's midfield. Two of our players, not automatic starters, are in there. Brazil's midfield mostly comes from teams around us.

I wonder how many international teams would actually make the top half of the Premier League ?

The fact that he was picked for one of the top 5 international teams to play against some other top teams would indicate he is at that standard and he would walk into the CB role for probably 90% of the other countries without question.

Fans are fickle, in his 2nd and 3rd appearances he was best thing since sliced bread now he's crap and should never have been picked.

He is out of form and has recently made some bad decisions costing us and England to concede goals , one of his strengths on the pitch which is hard to do when you are the junior (cap wise).

Personally would like to see him revert to playing simple centre half balls i.e. if in doubt kick it out.

 

[hart's shirt]

Despite poor form by his own standards and being punished for both mistakes he made, I'd still see him as international level.

That probably says more about the general level that we currently have at CB for England than it does about Dunk.

 

[AZ Gull]

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International standard is not a step up for me. In all bar a handful of teams it is a step down. Look at Argentina's midfield. Two of our players, not automatic starters, are in there. Brazil's midfield mostly comes from teams around us.

....

Those statements are doing a lot of heavy lifting
Valentin Barco made his debut as a second-half sub on Friday. Facundo Buonanotte has the grand total of.....two appearances (one of those as sub). They are hardly the engine room of a World Cup-winning behemoth.

 

[Comrade Sam]

If he's not good enough for England then we'll have him! As I have no interest in England when Dunk isn't playing, they can play 11 Harry Maguires for all I care.

 

[Eeyore]

Those statements are doing a lot of heavy lifting
Valentin Barco made his debut as a second-half sub on Friday. Facundo Buonanotte has the grand total of.....two appearances (one of those as sub). They are hardly the engine room of a World Cup-winning behemoth.

I'm not convinced that their team that won the World Cup would win the Premier League. Far from it.

 

[AZ Gull]

I'm not convinced that their team that won the World Cup would win the Premier League. Far from it.

The point I am making is that saying that Buonanotte and Barco are a part of Argentina's midfield is like saying Cam Peupion and Joshua Duffus are a part of Albion's forward line, ie stretching a point until it breaks!

 

[BNthree]

Whitehawk currently have 2 international players but play in the 7th tier of English football. (Pakistan and Montserrat if you’re curious.)

 

[Eeyore]

Whitehawk currently have 2 international players but play in the 7th tier of English football. (Pakistan and Montserrat if you’re curious.)

I'm a Hawk. I knew that. Although you aren't a proper Hawk until you've had the burger. Which I haven't yet.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

The point I am making is that saying that Buonanotte and Barco are a part of Argentina's midfield is like saying Cam Peupion and Joshua Duffus are a part of Albion's forward line, ie stretching a point until it breaks!

Having said that, I don't think it's critical to the point being made i.e. a good Premier League player will very often be above the level needed to get into most international teams.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I'm a Hawk. I knew that. Although you aren't a proper Hawk until you've had the burger. Which I haven't yet.

Newhaven FC have had the (I think without checking to remind myself) 36th highest scorer in first class cricket play for them.

 

[Weststander]

Newhaven FC have had the (I think without checking to remind myself) 36th highest scorer in first class cricket play for them.

Well, well.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Well, well.

That's exactly what I thought when I found out as well.

 

[Eeyore]

Newhaven FC have had the (I think without checking to remind myself) 36th highest scorer in first class cricket play for them.

Do we get a CLUE ?

 

[AZ Gull]

Whitehawk currently have 2 international players but play in the 7th tier of English football. (Pakistan and Montserrat if you’re curious.)

Back in July 2015 the Albion U-18s won 4-1 against a Shoreham side that contained five Montserratian internationals.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Do we get a CLUE ?

Very famous initials (not including the surname).
Most of those runs scored for Warwickshire, did play a match for Sussex and a few tests for England.
Born in Newhaven. Lived 1872 to 1951.
I have looked up the details now, I don't have the guy's date of birth and death knocking around my head.

 

[Weststander]

That's exactly what I thought when I found out as well.

I worked with SCCC (and cricket in general) nuts, since the 1960’s. They rated Alan the greatest Sussex batsman in their time. They’d watched Dexter, Parks, Parker, Mendis, Goodwin, Prior.