[Football] The future of VAR in England

[LlcoolJ]

It ought to be very simple: did the on field officials make a clear and obvious mistake in their original choice?

If the answer is uncertainty, then stick with the current decision.
If the decision is obviously wrong on first or second glance - 10 seconds max - then ask the referee to go to the pitch side monitor and make sure he agrees - then change the decision.

That would be the solution I would be happy with. But I have no faith that we will ever get there - and so I would rather go back to how it was before, with no VAR at all.

Totally agree. Which is basically how "umpire's call" works in cricket.

Otherwise we may as well not have referees in football and just let Mike Dean ref every game via a TV link.

Imagine how much he'd love that.....

 

[Weststander]

I expected it to be shite
It is shite
I fear we are stuck with it, but I am not sure why. Apart from the horse thinking out of the toolbox.

It’s here to stay sadly. According to R5 and TS, FIFA led by Collina have imposed it on top leagues. The only variation I think is in the Dutch league don’t call tight offsides .... but that may be clamped down on in due course.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Probably just the outrage speaking but the thought has occurred to me tonight that I would prefer to be relegated to escape VAR.

Bit extreme mate. We deserve to be in the top division and what about Tony's pocket. You don't want to be Derby do you?

But I totally understand the sentiment.

 

[LlcoolJ]

It’s here to stay sadly. According to R5 and TS, FIFA led by Collina have imposed it on top leagues. The only variation I think is in the Dutch league don’t call tight offsides .... but that may be clamped down on in due course.

Disappointing from Collina seeing as he was the best referee of his generation.

You'd have thought he'd want more power for the onfield officials?

 

[warmleyseagull]

It ought to be very simple: did the on field officials make a clear and obvious mistake in their original choice?

Problem is that this is not objective and therefore not simple.. What is clear and obvious to one observer is not to another; witness the rather contrasting views of Villa fans and Albion fans at the previous March incident.

I am one of the tiny minority who actually likes VAR as it is; OK it could do with being speedier at times but isn't it better that decisions are more correct, not all the time, but more so? Would have been flattened by Liverpool without VAR and quite wrongly: Salah and Mane were offside; impossible decisions for Lino to make, use technology, it can make those decisions. I have no problem with VAR tonight, made correct decisions.

What I think we shall see is the game changing to adjust to VAR, as it has to a degree with cricket. Physical contact in pen area will be further reduced, payers will (even more) keep arms down, forwards will take a pace less on counter attack. VAR may even be needed less.

 

[Weststander]

Disappointing from Collina seeing as he was the best referee of his generation.

You'd have thought he'd want more power for the onfield officials?

He wants correct decisions on the field. Not bothered about collateral damage eg how long each decision takes.

https://www.fifa.com/who-we-are/news/collina-our-goal-is-to-have-consistency-by-vars

 

[dangull]

Bozza's photo just shows it wasn't a penalty and VAR is wrong. The computer that never should be wrong has malfunctioned yet again.
Another incident which is spoiling the game, and i include numerous decisions which have been given in our favour. Connally v Everton last season for instance.

 

[Green Gull]

Football is just not the same anymore. VAR is sucking the life out of the game. This has nothing to do with tonights result or penalty decision but I'm not renewing next season. Completely fallen out of love with the game in its current state.

For me it's finished as a spectacle if this continues. I can see thousands upon thousands of Premier League club fans giving up on it in the next year or two unless things change.

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[The Fits]

Football is just not the same anymore. VAR is sucking the life out of the game. This has nothing to do with tonights result or penalty decision but I'm not renewing next season. Completely fallen out of love with the game in its current state.

For me it's finished as a spectacle if this continues. I can see thousands upon thousands of Premier League club fans giving up on it in the next year or two unless things change.

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Once fans hesitate celebrating a goal, and that could happen in the next season or two, it's over.

 

[LlcoolJ]

He wants correct decisions on the field. Not bothered about collateral damage eg how long each decision takes.

https://www.fifa.com/who-we-are/news/collina-our-goal-is-to-have-consistency-by-vars

I guess that makes sense having read his book. He was always about the letter of the law and not being influenced by anything else.

It works as a referee, and he was the best.

But perhaps not so much when you're in charge of the game from above. As with so many great football people like Platini, Benckenbauer etc.

Although I'm in no way saying that Collina has been corrupted. Just a different view when you're not on the pitch. Or a fan.

 

[sydney]

it just appears that wholesale ineptitude is part and parcel of the English authorities .....

 

[sydney]

Today was not inept it was corrupt. They deliberately altered the result of a game even when presented with evidence that didn't support their decision.
Wouldn't surprise me to find out some of the refs have gambling match fixing going on.

hmmm they really are crap aren't they.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Bit extreme mate. We deserve to be in the top division and what about Tony's pocket. You don't want to be Derby do you?

But I totally understand the sentiment.

Yeah, of course you are right. That game last night though was ruined by VAR and I am sick of it even after a nights sleep. I enjoyed the VAR free flow of a game of non league football on Saturday and the contrast with the joke that the PL has become is too vivid. 4 minutes was it ? To make a decision that everybody else watching could see was incorrect. The supporters of VAR see it as the arrival of modern technology when in reality it is a bloke watching a screen and getting it wrong. Hardly an improvement on a bloke running around in black and getting it wrong.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Yeah, of course you are right. That game last night though was ruined by VAR and I am sick of it even after a nights sleep. I enjoyed the VAR free flow of a game of non league football on Saturday and the contrast with the joke that the PL has become is too vivid. 4 minutes was it ? To make a decision that everybody else watching could see was incorrect. The supporters of VAR see it as the arrival of modern technology when in reality it is a bloke watching a screen and getting it wrong. Hardly an improvement on a bloke running around in black and getting it wrong.

Can't argue with that mate.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Disappointing from Collina seeing as he was the best referee of his generation.

You'd have thought he'd want more power for the onfield officials?

He is someone at the top of his industry, he wants to stay there as it pays well, and use his influence to create money making opportunities for himself. Most of the human race would act in a similar fashion.

 

[Gwylan]

What's interesting to me is that two-thirds of NSC are in favour of binning. I can't be bothered to check the polls before it was introduced but there was clear support for it on here. That means an awful lot of people have changed their minds (I'm not one of them BTW, I was vehemently against it from the start, thinking it would be detrimental to football and I see no reason to change my mind).

 

[LlcoolJ]

He is someone at the top of his industry, he wants to stay there as it pays well, and use his influence to create money making opportunities for himself. Most of the human race would act in a similar fashion.

Well that's part of what I meant. Always seemed like a man of integrity. Unlike numerous others.

As Westander pointed out. His views on VAR don't necessarily change that. Just that he's more obsessed with refereeing than football. Which is a shame.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

We now have VAR making factual decisions which mean the on field ref does not review the incident on the pitch side monitor.

Surely all decisions should be factual.
If the ref has to view the monitor, does that mean it's not a factual decision?

What is factual and non-factual?

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

What's interesting to me is that two-thirds of NSC are in favour of binning. I can't be bothered to check the polls before it was introduced but there was clear support for it on here. That means an awful lot of people have changed their minds (I'm not one of them BTW, I was vehemently against it from the start, thinking it would be detrimental to football and I see no reason to change my mind).

I was for it, and still will be if it is used to assess the clear and obvious errors.

Offsides- pop on the line. Can you tell if it is offside? Yes, offside. No/can't tell, it's not offside.10 seconds and decision made.

Taking minutes to review an offside or penalty? No. If it takes that long the decision doesn't need reversing.

Otherwise, just get rid.

 

[LlcoolJ]

We now have VAR making factual decisions which mean the on field ref does not review the incident on the pitch side monitor.

Surely all decisions should be factual.
If the ref has to view the monitor, does that mean it's not a factual decision?

What is factual and non-factual?

It's like Rumsfeld with his "known unknowns" etc and we all know how that ended up.....