[Politics] The French show the Brits how it is done

[pearl]

Not me as I believe in equality. How about having a joint campaign to lower retirement age for both sexes?

That's not the point .... these women planned for retirement and govuk hiked up the age to claim state pension.

 

[amexer]

Italy 67 years
U/K 67
Germany 66.5
Netherlands 66.5
Spain 65
France 62

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I think there's protesting and then there's needless destruction, environmental damage and risk to people's safety.

It depends how far you have to go to get a government to change their minds or reach a compromise. Women had to die before we got the vote. It took years.

 

[Peteinblack]

I think there's protesting and then there's needless destruction, environmental damage and risk to people's safety.

As in Climate change? Our government is clamping-down on protests against this.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

That's not the point .... these women planned for retirement and govuk hiked up the age to claim state pension.

Many women of that generation stopped work to have children. I am lucky in that I escaped the extra years by being born before 1950 (only just).
There wasn't the child care available, and women also had the option of paying a 'married women's stamp' which was a smaller contribution, because they would be covered by their husband's NI contributions.
More and more marriages ended in divorce and so that didn't apply.
I went back to work after 7 years after having my two children, and decided I would pay full stamp because I realised I would retire two years before my ex and I wanted a pension of my own instead of having to wait until he was 65.

You see, those under a certain age, have no idea of what a grim situation women have been left in. They think they are being clever, in pointing and saying 'Well, you wanted equality' ha ha ha.

I'll give you one example of an older woman in my family. When she got to 60, her state pension was £11 a week. That was in the 80s.

 

[wellquickwoody]

That's not the point .... these women planned for retirement and govuk hiked up the age to claim state pension.

Equality not the point? Wow.

Men have also seen the retirement age increased too, but that is OK huh? Not as much as that of women I grant you.

It seems feminism can be very one sided, only wanting the bits that suit rather than true equality. Whoever would have thought.

 

[pearl]

This brilliant book, first published in 1987, explained how popular tabloid culture and trashy TV programmes were pacifying people and eroding their willingness or ability to think or act.

Of course, Aldous Huxley had also prophesied this much earlier in Brave New World: the population kept quiet and obedient not through surveillance by 'big brother' or direct State-suppression, but endless sources of entertainment, including cheap booze, soft drugs and casual sex. They'd be too pissed, stoned or shagged-out to want to rebel.

Smart phones ... smart homes ...Facial recognition ... Alexa ... cctv ... doorbells that take pictures ... Internet banking ...

 

[wellquickwoody]

Many women of that generation stopped work to have children. I am lucky in that I escaped the extra years by being born before 1950 (only just).
There wasn't the child care available, and women also had the option of paying a 'married women's stamp' which was a smaller contribution, because they would be covered by their husband's NI contributions.
More and more marriages ended in divorce and so that didn't apply.
I went back to work after 7 years after having my two children, and decided I would pay full stamp because I realised I would retire two years before my ex and I wanted a pension of my own instead of having to wait until he was 65.

You see, those under a certain age, have no idea of what a grim situation women have been left in. They think they are being clever, in pointing and saying 'Well, you wanted equality' ha ha ha.

I'll give you one example of an older woman in my family. When she got to 60, her state pension was £11 a week. That was in the 80s.

Jeez you are such a sanctimonious saint on high. My wife is one of those affected by the pension age changes so I am very aware of its consequences. But you are a perfect example of someone who wants to have their cake and eat it. I’m leaving the debate now whilst I can remain polite.

 

[pearl]

Equality not the point? Wow.

Men have also seen the retirement age increased too, but that is OK huh? Not as much as that of women I grant you.

It seems feminism can be very one sided, only wanting the bits that suit rather than true equality. Whoever would have thought.

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[Peteinblack]

I think there's protesting and then there's needless destruction, environmental damage and risk to people's safety.

As in Climate change? Our government is clamping-down on protests against this

Italy 67 years
U/K 67
Germany 66.5
Netherlands 66.5
Spain 65
France 62

So because workers in other countries have a higher retirement age, the same must be imposed on French workers? A

Another example of the relentless race to the bottom - workers everywhere having changes imposed on them which mean working harder or for longer, or for less pay, or receiving lower occupational pensions when they retire.

They system really is not working for the majority of ordinary working people any more, is it?

Italy 67 years
U/K 67
Germany 66.5
Netherlands 66.5
Spain 65
France 62

Italy 67 years
U/K 67
Germany 66.5
Netherlands 66.5
Spain 65
France 62

 

[keaton]

As in Climate change? Our government is clamping-down on protests against this

Yes, I know. I'm not sure your point?

 

[Dibdab]

And whilst we are all sucking up whatever crap is thrown our way, not able to protest if the police decide they don’t want us too, the biggest transfer of our wealth to the mega rich in history continues to happen in plain sight. We really are screwed.

 

[Shooting Star]

The state of this thread. Would love to see these same pro-French protests saying the same if people were doing the same to the streets of Sussex.

 

[Jeremiah]

Hmmm - live in France and retire at 62 (or possibly 64) or live in England and retire at 67 ? Put like that an extra 5 years working is a small price to pay IMO.

 

[Shooting Star]

The state of this thread. Would love to see these same pro-French protests saying the same if people were doing the same to the streets of Sussex.

These are the same people who'd do their nut if a Palace fan set off a flare at the Amex.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The state of this thread. Would love to see these same pro-French protests saying the same if people were doing the same to the streets of Sussex.

I've already protested on the streets of Sussex, haven't you? That's how we got the Amex.

I am not approving of arson to buildings, but burning the rubbish keeps the vermin at bay.

 

[withdeanwombat]

No politician or government tells ME what to do.

I‘ve got a wife for that.

 

[nicko31]

Hmmm - live in France and retire at 62 (or possibly 64) or live in England and retire at 67 ? Put like that an extra 5 years working is a small price to pay IMO.

If you work longer you die younger too, life expectancy here 2 years behind France. Plenty in this government will call that vindication...

 

[Thunder Bolt]

If you work longer you die younger too, life expectancy here 2 years behind France. Plenty in this government will call that vindication...

It's pretty obvious they don't want to pay any pensions out. Get back to work and die there.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

The French don’t let their government walk all over them, unlike the anesthetised public on this island.

King Charles's France visit postponed after pension protests

Emmanuel Macron says the trip could not go ahead because of pension protests during the trip.

www.bbc.co.uk

Universal condemnation on here when Croydon residents did the same. Funny old world. I prefer democracy to thuggery but each to their own.