[Albion] The Five Clarifications

[Triggaaar]

Which has been proved to be incorrect, or else we would be in position where refs are demoted every other week.

I just asked you to show where I have repeatedly said that heads haven't rolled for the poor decisions. Can you?

And in response to the above: no, it has not proved to be incorrect at all, you're talking nonsense. The reason refs aren't demoted every week is because officials have never got so many big decisions wrong against anyone - certainly not against a big club. If you disagree, please find an example.

I have never seen anything like it. 2 good goals incorrectly ruled out as far as we can tell, and 3 penalties not given.

 

[dazzer6666]

 

[Dun Lurkin]

This is all reminding me of the 77-78 season when we were denied promotion to the top division by the actions of Spurs and Saints. It made us stronger and we gained our rightful place in the top flight the following season.
Whilst we should make a fuss over these incompetent decisions (any other explanation would be scandalous and warrant an in depth enquiry) they should be accepted for what they are. The team should be kept together as far as possible and these blatant errors used to motivate them, make us stronger and enable us to walk into a top four slot next season.

 

[essbee1]

This is all reminding me of the 77-78 season when we were denied promotion to the top division by the actions of Spurs and Saints. It made us stronger and we gained our rightful place in the top flight the following season.
Whilst we should make a fuss over these incompetent decisions (any other explanation would be scandalous and warrant an in depth enquiry) they should be accepted for what they are. The team should be kept together as far as possible and these blatant errors used to motivate them, make us stronger and enable us to walk into a top four slot next season.

Dun, the actions of those incompetent w*****s will probably mean we won't have Mitoma, Mac, Caicedo with us next season. It's fanciful to say we will come back stronger. We won't.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I just asked you to show where I have repeatedly said that heads haven't rolled for the poor decisions. Can you?

And in response to the above: no, it has not proved to be incorrect at all, you're talking nonsense. The reason refs aren't demoted every week is because officials have never got so many big decisions wrong against anyone - certainly not against a big club. If you disagree, please find an example.

I have never seen anything like it. 2 good goals incorrectly ruled out as far as we can tell, and 3 penalties not given.

Apologies, got you confused with someone else.

You've not backed anything up with the comments you've made, it should be pretty easy to point to more than a handful of matches when VAR has cost a top 6 club points and there was a fall out after.

You are the one that has made the claim about heads rolling after bad decisions you should find the countless examples that apparently exists.

What is actually happening is all clubs are being f***ed over by VAR

 

[Brok]

This is all reminding me of the 77-78 season when we were denied promotion to the top division by the actions of Spurs and Saints. It made us stronger and we gained our rightful place in the top flight the following season.
Whilst we should make a fuss over these incompetent decisions (any other explanation would be scandalous and warrant an in depth enquiry) they should be accepted for what they are. The team should be kept together as far as possible and these blatant errors used to motivate them, make us stronger and enable us to walk into a top four slot next season.

That was shithousery of a different sort.

 

[Fungus]

It’s the Spurs player’s hand.
Instant Player reaction should remove any doubt.

Yeah, but there were (lesser) appeals from Spurs. On balance, definitely a penalty!

Edit: sorry, “multiple penalties”.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Well said. I'm glad that the club is sticking it to them. I really don't think the club will let this one drop.

That said if I were PGMOL I would say that the two handball calls were the honest opinion of the VAR referee. These were very difficult decisions to call and we have no 'err on the side of the attacker' rubric. The shirt pull decision is again a judgement issue. Yes it was a shirt pull but the Brighton player wasn't near enough to to ball to have been able to affect play. The Mitoma penalty was not adjudged a penalty by VAR because the referee clearly had good sight of the incident so VAR did not check the decision. In retrospect this was a mistake and had the referee checked the video he may have awarded a penalty. But we cannot be certain.

Easy! PGMOIL should give me a job.

I'm all for the refs meeting with clubs after the weekend and going through the decisions made that are deemed controversial, seems a middle ground between a public flogging and saying nothing.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Which has been proved to be incorrect, or else we would be in position where refs are demoted every other week.

Why has Howard Webb been drafted in to get the standard up? Why did Lee Mason resign after our Palace game?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Why has Howard Webb been drafted in to get the standard up? Why did Lee Mason resign after our Palace game?

Some of the standards of refs is poor, I don't think anyone has denied that.

The VAR needs fixing, I don't think anyone is denying that

Howard Webb won't change a thing, it's a grass roots issue, till the FA start sticking up for young and up coming refs the standard will continue to drop.

 

[willalbion]

its never a penalty IMO. Personally think the Dunk one is a bit questionable too to be honest as he’s never getting to the ball and thrown himself to the ground although I’m probably on my own there!

The Mac disallowed goal and the Mitoma penalty though are absolute baffling decisions.

I dunno, two handed shirt pull. It’s blatant.

 

[zefarelly]

These decisions are not the sole responsibility of VAR its the referee who needs hanging out to dry. They're his mistakes and he has the right to review what VAR say and over rule their recommendation doesn't he ? The ref needs painful interrogation, Simple as. In addition to the 5 there were a string of other poor refereeing decisions which should be considered.

VAR will stay and I think it should, subject to an overhaul. It's imperative that the conversations between officials are recorded and broadcast for transparency And clarification Otherwise it is nothing more than a close shop. Which is exactly what it currently is.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Then why have the PL allowed Chelsea to be 10th and Liverpool 8th?

The biggest club in the country and the biggest story at the moment.

If what you have said is accurate they would be doing all they could to help them.

They really had to help your cheats to win, you were that bad they resorted to 8 incorrect decisions.

 

[METALMICKY]

Just spotted something new from one of Saturday's decisions. Apologies if it's already been mentioned. On the Mitoma handball look carefully at Darren Cann actually changing where he taps his arm to signal what he thinks is handball. Initially he taps high up on the arm on the premier league badge. Seconds later as if he suddenly remembers the shirt sleeve ruling he then slides his arm down. In effect he realised that his first signal actually confirms impact above the shirt line thereby it should be a goal. The farce continues!

 

[DJ NOBO]

Yeah, but there were (lesser) appeals from Spurs. On balance, definitely a penalty!

Edit: sorry, “multiple penalties”.

Veltman immediately remonstrated. Whilst that’s not conclusive proof, you just wouldn’t do that if the opponent hadnt handballed it. Likewise if the ball had touched veltman‘s hand rather than spurs player, then spurs players would have immediately appealed for pen.
All immaterial now but you can be very close to 100% sure it came off spurs player‘s hand, going by reaction and of course the video footage.

 

[Da Man Clay]

I dunno, two handed shirt pull. It’s blatant.

Yeah as I say expect I’m alone in thinking that one isn’t a pen. It’s daft from the defender but there isn’t much force in the hold, the ball is well gone and Dunk throws himself down. It probably is a pen but can see why it wasn’t given

 

[Algernon]

Nothing can/will be done.
We'll gain nothing from the 5 clarifications, no points, no replay, so to me it's just a pointless paper exercise.
For what they're going to be worth, the 5 clarifications might just as well be the 3 seashells.

 

[peterward]

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[maltaseagull]

Yeah as I say expect I’m alone in thinking that one isn’t a pen. It’s daft from the defender but there isn’t much force in the hold, the ball is well gone and Dunk throws himself down. It probably is a pen but can see why it wasn’t given

If that was Kane's shirt pulled, that is 100% given.

 

[monty uk]

If that was Kane's shirt touched, that is 100% given.