The first "Want to Work" Masterclass delivered at The Amex

[Commander]

You've missed the point. I'm not suggesting for a second that sending out 2 CVs a week is anything out of the ordinary. I simply fail to believe that this poster has sent out 200 applications for work, and recieved zero responses to them. You'd need to be deliberately sabotaging your own applications to manage that hit rate.

Having re-read the post, he did actually slip the word 'virtually' in there, which I think may be key.

May I also point you in the direction of 'i before e, except after c'.

Thanks.

Commander.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

From around 200 applications in the last 2 years.

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That is why I have given up now. I mean what's the f***ing point ? It is a waste of time so why even bother trying anymore and considering I have professional qualifications equivalent to 4 A Levels I am no numpty and have applied for jobs well below my capabilites and I mean that in no way as disrepectful to the people that do them like working on the tills, delivering flowers and pizza's and cleaning offices so it's not as though I am being choosy. I would like to think with my work I do I can and do deliver results I am more than capable so to be kicking a can down the street is totally soul destroying.

Net result - f*** all. Not a reply, barely an ackowledgement and no offer or even interviews.

So I can understand that there are large swathes of people that after 4 years of this shit have given up and I have to say, I can't really blame them.

Having re-read the post, he did actually slip the word 'virtually' in there, which I think may be key.



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If he did, it was a post edit.

 

[Diego Napier]

There is no such thing as being over qualified for a job.. Very interesting as this comes from a young lady who has just taken a job in a shop whilst she is taking time off from her university so she can raise enough money to complete her training to become a Surgeon. she told me that she had applied for hundreds of jobs on line and by going into town handing out her CV. I popped into our local Post office and asked the manager there if he would employ a person who had all the qualifications under the sun for a job that was just to stick stamps on envelopes. He said YES if he liked the person and felt that he was capable of doing the job and could prove that he really wanted it.
I think and this comes from my own experience, it is down to the applicant to sell themselves to the potential employer and show that they really DO want the job and would be interested in progressing up the company should other opportunities arise. Being told that one is over qualified for the job is a nice and polite way of being told that you are just not wanted.

No it is not, you are wrong and you shouldn't make such sweeping generalities.

I've recruited people for a number of companies over many years and I can tell you that during that time we've rejected hundreds of candidates who were "overqualified".

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

No it is not, you are wrong and you shouldn't make such sweeping generalities.

I've recruited people for a number of companies over many years and I can tell you that during that time we've rejected hundreds of candidates who were "overqualified".

Diego - out of interest, what is the main reason for rejecting someone if you think they are over-qualified ? Is it simply that you do not expect them to hang around ?

 

[public school boy]

No it is not, you are wrong and you shouldn't make such sweeping generalities.

I've recruited people for a number of companies over many years and I can tell you that during that time we've rejected hundreds of candidates who were "overqualified".

These were the views of a young lady who is taking time out from her training to become a surgeon, highly qualified, who is working in a shop in Tunbridge Wells. If she had no trouble with having qualifications why should anyone else?. Please explain this " being over qualified" nonsense. I worked with a chap for a Taxi company who had a first class degree from Cambridge and another highly qualified chap when I was temping for a removals company. Again no question of being over qualified.

 

[Simster]

These were the views of a young lady who is taking time out from her training to become a surgeon, highly qualified, who is working in a shop in Tunbridge Wells. If she had no trouble with having qualifications why should anyone else?. Please explain this " being over qualified" nonsense. I worked with a chap for a Taxi company who had a first class degree from Cambridge and another highly qualified chap when I was temping for a removals company. Again no question of being over qualified.

It depends on the work the being offered. Cab work is temporary by it's nature, except for those running the business. Same goes for shop work - the shop would rather employee a well spoken appropriate face to the public and accept the flip side - a high staff turnover. Particularly because they are easy to replace and there is little training involved in a new starter to shop work.

On the other hand, a big firm like Amex are not going to employ a professor to do a data entry job. They want someone who will take the opportunity seriously and be prepared to work their way up through the company.

Do you really need all this explaining to you?

 

[public school boy]

It depends on the work the being offered. Cab work is temporary by it's nature, except for those running the business. Same goes for shop work - the shop would rather employee a well spoken appropriate face to the public and accept the flip side - a high staff turnover. Particularly because they are easy to replace and there is little training involved in a new starter to shop work.

On the other hand, a big firm like Amex are not going to employ a professor to do a data entry job. They want someone who will take the opportunity seriously and be prepared to work their way up through the company.

Do you really need all this explaining to you?

Ah,we might be getting somewhere at last. it's not down to the qualifications the applicant has, it's down to the person. Just because a person has fantastic qualifications it does not mean that he/she is going to take the job less seriously than someone with less or no qualifications. CVs are not just about listing ones qualifications, they are also meant to be away of demonstrating the type of person the applicant is. As mentioned by others, there are people who will help one put together one's CV.

 

[Commander]

If he did, it was a post edit.

Ah, I actually meant 'barely', not virtually.

Spielberg should take a leaf out of brightonmark1234's book.

 

[Diego Napier]

Diego - out of interest, what is the main reason for rejecting someone if you think they are over-qualified ? Is it simply that you do not expect them to hang around ?

Yes, that is one of the primary reasons and has been bourne out by experience.

Others could be that they may be "blanket bombing" their cv into a number of companies and will not necessarily be committed; they may become quickly disillusioned if they are earning less than others who are not so competent and there is no ready promotion path; disruptive influence on the rest of the team if they are discontent, unrealistic salary expectations, etc.

 

[Diego Napier]

Diego - out of interest, what is the main reason for rejecting someone if you think they are over-qualified ? Is it simply that you do not expect them to hang around ?

Yes, that is one of the primary reasons and has been bourne out by experience.

Others could be that they may be "blanket bombing" their cv into a number of companies and will not necessarily be committed; they may become quickly disillusioned if they are earning less than others who are not so competent and there is no ready promotion path; disruptive influence on the rest of the team if they are discontent, unrealistic salary expectations, etc.

 

[public school boy]

Another thing that puzzles me is that if a person is lucky enough to be offered job after being unemployed for such a long time getting depressed , why are they then going to not pull their weight and do the job properly? May be the answer is that people think that they have a right to work without having to take the job seriously. It's about time people woke up and realised that there are many others out there who would take the job should an employee be sacked. It's a dog eat dog world out there not a bed of roses. People are not rejected for being over qualified, they are rejected because they have not sold themselves properly.

 

[public school boy]

Here's a job vacancy if anyone is interested. Residential Lettings negotiator needed for busy agency in Tunbridge wells. Private message me and I'll give you further details.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I have not sabotaged my own applications. And I did a post a couple of years ago long before bm1234 on NSC asking if anyone had any work. Anyway I think being a 50 year old bloke is quite different in trying to find work and there are lots of people finding the same thing. I will keep trying though as I will fail when I give up. Good luck to people who find themselves in this position.