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maltaseagull

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Feb 25, 2009
13,361
Zabbar- Malta
So what percentage of our revenue do you think should be spent on player wages then?

What proportion of revenue do you think normal profitable business's spend on wages?

In football it seems to be ok to spend up to 110% for some clubs. In retail we were expected to run between 5-6% of turnover.
 




El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
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Jul 5, 2003
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Pattknull med Haksprut
Doncaster Rovers yesterday 10k crowd and yet they can pay and play Macheda
Albion 27k crowd and we cant find a C/F
SOMETHING IS WRONG

Q: How many first team goals did Macheda score between March 2009 and September 2013 for all the clubs he played for?

A: None
 


glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
Q: How many first team goals did Macheda score between March 2009 and September 2013 for all the clubs he played for?

A: None

can't stop him scoring now though
and you could swap any name of any player who is earning the same sort of wages
how can they pay him and we apparently can't pay any to anyone
 


El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
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Jul 5, 2003
40,008
Pattknull med Haksprut
can't stop him scoring now though
and you could swap any name of any player who is earning the same sort of wages
how can they pay him and we apparently can't pay any to anyone

My understanding is that there is money in the pot to pay for a striker, but they are trying to find the right player, rather than the first player, as we have had our fingers burnt from taking that approach before.
 


seagullsovergrimsby

#cpfctinpotclub
Aug 21, 2005
43,944
Crap Town
can't stop him scoring now though
and you could swap any name of any player who is earning the same sort of wages
how can they pay him and we apparently can't pay any to anyone

Donny are the subject of a proposed takeover bid by two different consortia. One of these wants to plough in £20M in a bid to get them into the Premier League within 5 years.
 






The Birdman

New member
Nov 30, 2008
6,313
Haywards Heath
It's not just a new training ground to produce new players its to try to attract players to sign for the club and stop losing youngsters from Sussex to the London Clubs ,it's were most of the time the players will work. It should help to improve our currant squad as they will also be training on good surfaces. Lets build a sustainable club for the future. Please don't take to long I am struggling with the steps up to:the WSU as I might have to move to the east stand.:facepalm:
 


Guinness Boy

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Jul 23, 2003
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So the club are in all likelihood still paying the wages then?

Cheers for clearing that one up. That was one of the arguments over an on-loan striker, with the inference that CMS and Hoskins wage bill was freed up. This would appear not to be the case.

I don't KNOW. I just know if I was an underwriter or actuary I probably couldn't price PPI for footballers and make a profit. There may be special policies but having spent a while consulting for insurance companies I've never heard of them.
 




nwgull

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Jul 25, 2003
14,533
Manchester
20m is probably about the same as Tony Bloom will have ploughed into the albion over the last 3 seasons. And that doesn't include the stadium or the academy. So I don't think we should be getting our knickers in a twist over Donny investors planning to spend it over 5.
 


Carrot Cruncher

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Jul 30, 2003
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I don't KNOW. I just know if I was an underwriter or actuary I probably couldn't price PPI for footballers and make a profit. There may be special policies but having spent a while consulting for insurance companies I've never heard of them.

Sake! I RELIED on you. Never again. We're done...
 






Guinness Boy

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Jul 23, 2003
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Sake! I RELIED on you. Never again. We're done...

Right you ASKED for it......

That sort of insurance pays out a proportion of wages after a waiting (deferral) period depending on the ability to work. With, say, a software company, you are covering someone who sits on their arse and probably earns between 25 and 70k a year. A footballer will do things every day that put them at risk of a claim and may make more than that in a week. Every insurance company works primarily on the business of risk - or rather avoiding it.

Oh look, everyone's wandered off! *puts on bore hat* :)
 


Creaky

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Mar 26, 2013
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Hookwood - Nr Horley
"Clubs in the top divisions typically buy insurance to protect their investment in their players, said Roland Fox, Underwriter at MAP Underwriting. Clubs can insure against the loss of multi-million pound transfer fees if a player is unable to play because of a career ending injury or illness. They can also buy insurance to pay salaries should a player suffer a temporary injury or illness, he says"

http://www.lloyds.com/news-and-insi...fer-season-puts-lloyds-in-a-league-of-its-own
 


Guinness Boy

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Jul 23, 2003
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"Clubs in the top divisions typically buy insurance to protect their investment in their players, said Roland Fox, Underwriter at MAP Underwriting. Clubs can insure against the loss of multi-million pound transfer fees if a player is unable to play because of a career ending injury or illness. They can also buy insurance to pay salaries should a player suffer a temporary injury or illness, he says"

http://www.lloyds.com/news-and-insi...fer-season-puts-lloyds-in-a-league-of-its-own

There you go. I would HATE to see what the premiums are though!
 






jimhigham

Je Suis Rhino
Apr 25, 2009
8,039
Woking
We've already nearly lost our club once. I don't fancy going through that again.

If the club has to tighten its belt and not make the Premier League as a result then so be it. I'd rather follow a well run Championship side than a Premier League team that's a ticking time bomb.
 








The Merry Prankster

Pactum serva
Aug 19, 2006
5,578
Shoreham Beach
If you want instant gratification then you are not going to get it following the Albion under Tony Bloom, rightly or wrongly.

This is of course the sensible approach that will ensure the long term health and viability of the club BUT I'm getting old so I'd urge Tony to spunk money as recklessly as possible in an attemp to gratify me before the reaper has his way.
 


Giraffe

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Aug 8, 2005
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I would rather Bloom said "I've spent £100million on the stadium, another £30m is going on the training ground, I've invested in players for a couple of seasons, but for now I am now consolidating and not spending any more".

That I would take happily, and sit back and enjoy.

This constant bullshit about FFP from Barber is just the type of spin that new labour came up with. And it doesn't wash with me.
 


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