portslade seagull
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There last chance to throw there weight around. We have until 2020 to leave so let's mug them off for a change
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The EU wants Britain to leave "as soon as possible"
- Thread starter Guy Crouchback
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There last chance to throw there weight around. We have until 2020 to leave so let's mug them off for a change
Guy Crouchback
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- Jun 20, 2012
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An interesting thing from a sociological point of view is happening in Poland (and, from what I gather, in Germany as well): the support numbers for the EU were never as strong as they are right now. It seems that not many Poles/Germans want to be seen in one line with Farage, Putin or LePen, and when Poles and Germans agree on something it must be right. 
It clears the air... the EU is certainly not perfect and most probably never will be, but most people don't want to live in a world where haters from "foreigners f*ck off" crowd rule. Brexit is like a huge wake-up call for everyone with at least a little bit of common decency left in him/her. The EU will come out stronger from this mess.
It clears the air... the EU is certainly not perfect and most probably never will be, but most people don't want to live in a world where haters from "foreigners f*ck off" crowd rule. Brexit is like a huge wake-up call for everyone with at least a little bit of common decency left in him/her. The EU will come out stronger from this mess.
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Billy the Fish
Technocrat
Article 50 states that it's up to the member state when they leave. It's not up to Junker or Tusk, they're just pissed off because they haven't got all the power this time.
Guy Crouchback
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Tusk may also still be pissed off after Farage called him "the newest immigrant to the EU" after Tusk became the EU president. I know, I know--politics shouldn't be about personal sympathies/antipathies, but this Farage fellow is simply brilliant at making friends.
Codner pharmaceuticals
Well-known member
Yup - no point in waiting for the lift when you can jump out of the top window and hit the ground in seconds.
The Albion Roar
97.2FM
Parliament might have well have a say in this. In fact, it will.
Invoking Article 50 requires an Act of Parliament which only the Prime Minister can call. Cameron has already said he isn't going to do that. The new Tory leader (and therefore Prime Minister) might well try to do invoke it, but to do so before knowing what kind of deal is on the table post-EU is a bit shambolic. Also to do it straight away leads to another problem for the new Prime Minister.
Because it has to go through Parliament, if MPs got a vote on whether to invoke Article 50, there's every possibility it would be defeated. The numbers, as they say, aren't there - half of Tories, nearly all of Labour, all of SNP would vote against. (They could abstain if they don't want to be seen to be going against the wishes of the 'people' - but then the 'people' aren't paid to be the lawmakers.)
Then it would need to go through the House of Lords - again no guarantees. It could be sent through Parliament via a 'Henry VIII' rule, but that's very undemocratic, and totally counter to what Brexit campaigners have been campaigning for - proper British use of a sovereign Parliament.
rocker959
Well-known member
And more to follow.
- Apr 13, 2015
- 3,866
They can wait until we are ready....article 50 after Cameron goes..then 2 years-ish
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The Fifth Column
Lazy mug
Who cares, we won't be financing them or propping them up anymore, cheerio Sweaties.
The Fifth Column
Lazy mug
An interesting thing from a sociological point of view is happening in Poland (and, from what I gather, in Germany as well): the support numbers for the EU were never as strong as they are right now. It seems that not many Poles/Germans want to be seen in one line with Farage, Putin or LePen, and when Poles and Germans agree on something it must be right.
It clears the air... the EU is certainly not perfect and most probably never will be, but most people don't want to live in a world where haters from "foreigners f*ck off" crowd rule. Brexit is like a huge wake-up call for everyone with at least a little bit of common decency left in him/her. The EU will come out stronger from this mess.
The EU will collapse, good luck with your German mates.
A statement from who? Mostly unelected bureaucrats.
jamie the seagull
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- Jul 27, 2011
- 2,803
It's taken them 35 years to say that..
Let them stew until the new leader is chosen or until an election.
Let them stew until the new leader is chosen or until an election.
The point is WE invoke Article 50 at our convenience not theirs. They want to shore up the edifice but can't until we leave. Obviously both sides would like it to progress smoothly and quickly. Whatever deal is reached it is within OUR power how quickly that happens. Government machinations could prevent Article 50 ever being issued but, you'll risk social disturbance and riots. Wouldn't want that to happen.
An interesting thing from a sociological point of view is happening in Poland (and, from what I gather, in Germany as well): the support numbers for the EU were never as strong as they are right now. It seems that not many Poles/Germans want to be seen in one line with Farage, Putin or LePen, and when Poles and Germans agree on something it must be right.
It clears the air... the EU is certainly not perfect and most probably never will be, but most people don't want to live in a world where haters from "foreigners f*ck off" crowd rule. Brexit is like a huge wake-up call for everyone with at least a little bit of common decency left in him/her. The EU will come out stronger from this mess.
And this is how the rest of the world are going to look at us from now on.
Would you want to trade with that?
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
- 13,465
Election of a pro eu government will sort that out next year
Damn, it's not letting me include a start time - 4min, 48 s
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I think we should make them wait. They want us out now - tough.
