The dominant club in Manchester
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Gullflyinghigh
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- Apr 23, 2012
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Is it? I genuinely had no idea (seriously, not a clue)!
Anyway. Stats. Dominant club. You assert it's your beloved United, I believe it to be the pale blue City. Are we calling this a draw or can you be the bigger man and accept the truth of the matter?
Megazone
On his last warning
Okay, Okay. I love Man united and I think the Neville brothers are hunks.
Now please. Can we just be friends?
Gullflyinghigh
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- Apr 23, 2012
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Well, see, if you started with statements as outlandish as that then no one would ever have believed you. Sure, Gary's got the smouldering good looks of a Jeff Goldblum but Phil is...unfortunate.
We were never not friends old chap.
Mancgull
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As a Manchester based Seagull, I think I have an insight into the shift in power over the past 4/5 years. United fans are a little like Liverpool fans would have been 15 or so years ago. Desperately clinging onto past glories and thinking that a magic wand will be waved and they will go back to the Ferguson era with just one decent managerial appointment. Yes, of course they are a big club with huge worldwide support but that doesn't mean you are guaranteed success. City have the money and ambition behind them and although this season has been relatively disappointing, they are generally on the up. They have huge support but a cultural issue in that their older fans still hold onto the memories of being the also rans with the passion that that ingrains.... A little like an Albion fan having done through the bad years and now wondering about how the commercialisation of the club at the Amex can compare to a rainy night in Rochdale.
In short, I think the tipping point has been achieved and the colour of Manchester is now bluer than red.
In short, I think the tipping point has been achieved and the colour of Manchester is now bluer than red.
Gullflyinghigh
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- Apr 23, 2012
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Out of interest, is this new found domination of the neighbours reflected in the local support? I'm curious as to how whether you're more likely to see blue shirts over red or vice versa...
Mancgull
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I live in an area, Worsley, bordering Salford ( a dominant red area). Therefore my neighbours are virtually all United fans. However in other parts of Manchester, City fans dominate. Salford itself is a City and so it's like two merged cities each with their own clubs. However City fans now have a greater swagger about them and they will appeal to previous floaters eg my brother in law who used to support Oldham but due to the pressure from his young son, now is a City season ticket holder.... A fact that I often bring him up on and take the piss re him being a turn coat.
Lower West Stander
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Having spent a fair chunk of my youth in Manchester I think I can comment on this.
Contrary to popular belief there are a large amount of United fans who live in the area. It's still pretty hard to get a season ticket due to their strong local fan base. I also find it hard to say whether one club is more dominant than the other. City may be doing a bit better on the pitch but Old Trafford remains a way better atmospheric ground than the Etihad (which is also in an absolute shithole of an area).
I agree club support is very polarised by where you live (Stockport is a blue town, but Didsbury next door is mainly red) so it's really hard to tell which group of fans are dominant but United remain a better supported club with a bigger fan base - most of which is local.
Pavilionaire
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The reason I started this debate is because people talk about a tipping point and it feels as though we've reached that point. There was a time when City fans would have been ecstatic to have won the League Cup and be in the Champions League quarter-final, yet however good those achievements are there's no doubt they'll be equally disappointed to be out of a title race being contested by Leicester and Spurs, and in danger of missing out of the top 4 places.
I daresay many United fans will feel there's a vacuum at the top of the English game that they'll go on to fill with a manager like Jose Mourinho, and it could be that the post-Sir Alex era will be just a temporary blip in a timeline of Premier League era success that they've enjoyed for the last 24 years.
Yet there's a danger Utd could turn out to be the next Liverpool - frozen out at the top end - as City could emerge as the English equivalent of Paris St Germain. If Utd don't get their sh1t together quick then you'll have Spurs in the Champions League with a new 60,000-odd stadium on the way and West Ham in the Olympic Stadium with the resources to kick on. Chelsea are bound to pick up while there's the little matter of Leicester now in the mix.
I daresay many United fans will feel there's a vacuum at the top of the English game that they'll go on to fill with a manager like Jose Mourinho, and it could be that the post-Sir Alex era will be just a temporary blip in a timeline of Premier League era success that they've enjoyed for the last 24 years.
Yet there's a danger Utd could turn out to be the next Liverpool - frozen out at the top end - as City could emerge as the English equivalent of Paris St Germain. If Utd don't get their sh1t together quick then you'll have Spurs in the Champions League with a new 60,000-odd stadium on the way and West Ham in the Olympic Stadium with the resources to kick on. Chelsea are bound to pick up while there's the little matter of Leicester now in the mix.
FWIW, Utd haven't signed a world class player, that either Barca, Real, or Bayern, wanted as well. Most utd fans think their club is comparable to these three, but now, they seem to only buy young, up and coming gambles, or older players the other three don't want. City do appear to have more transfer funds, and can compete with th European big boys, but after paying the thick end of 50 million for Sterling, I'm not sure they won't be royally screwed for every just above average player they buy
Bombadier Botty
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- Jun 2, 2008
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Yep and you can see the support dropping off in coming seasons as ennui settles in amongst the floating fans. A 38,510 capacity stadium would have been ample for City.
Nixonator
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This sounds very much like similar bollocks that was said 10 years ago about them imploding within the decade.
They'll acquire fans from all corners of the country, and globe before they seat any less than 40k from this point forward.
Megazone
On his last warning
How? They're not the only attractive looking club in the country. What if they don't qualify for the Champions league next season?
Nixonator
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They could finish 16th this season and not lose momentum in that regard. Not to mention their overseas marketing is top drawer, which is what you get when you have tens of millions to throw around.
They've just pulled in Guardiola which is being talked about all over the world. I know a 'soccer' fan at work who has recently switched his alliegance from bayern for that reason alone. You may not like to imagine things like this happening, since we perceive them as quite bizarre, but they very much do.
And let's not kid ourselves thinking that they are going to implode any time soon on the football pitch. Their crowds will be fine.
Megazone
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Big game for the them on Sunday. It could determine their season.
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Megazone
On his last warning
So Prestwich Heys are officially the dominate team then. Fair play to them, but again, they're not as big as people make them out to be. Elton Vale are the bigger team IMO.
wakeytom
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Looks like the united fans are having to get a train from Falmer station the way they are leaving this early
Long way back to Surrey