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That just seems impossible, is she bionic!!
It's really good to hear these amazing feats in life.
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That just seems impossible, is she bionic!!
It's really good to hear these amazing feats in life.
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Sounds like he saying that common sense will dictate, I totally agree.
Staying alert and away from the idiots is highly recommended IMO.
blue-shifted
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It's excellent news and it's easy to forget, that even in the very elderly, Covid isn't an automatic death sentence. More will survive it than don't.
Sounds like Amazon will be providing the logistics rather than actually selling them.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/b?node=21103026031
https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/12/almo...HLXRamHWYhGWV1TiZJq5bTntCN61m6tXpLhq17Txe1WIo
Encouraging news on antibodies
Encouraging news on antibodies
Common sense is definitely the way forward and will go a long way to seeing us out of the other side
That is good news.
To be honest, we can be relatively sure that at least short term immunity (2-3 months+) is conferred in the vast majority of cases, as otherwise we'd be hearing masses of reinfection stories by now.
highflyer
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In a simalr vein, talking to a friend in France yesterday. His (french) wife's aunt is 95 and lives in a rural area of southern France. Caught COVID. Went to hospital, where she proceeded to have a heart attack. Was revived, recovered from Covid, and now back at home and recovering!
blue-shifted
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Yes and by extension, until we start seeing in the news that there have been re-infections, you can probably assume if you've had it, you won't re-infect someone
As in the words of Stewart Lee..I have done no research into who these people are, But this has made me feel a bit better and a bit cross at the same time.
Facts about Covid-19
Updated: May 6, 2020;
Languages: CZ, DE, EN, ES, FI, FR, GR, HBS, HE, HU, IT, JP, KO, NL, NO, PL, PT, RO, RU, SE, SI, SK, TR
Fully referenced facts about Covid-19, provided by experts in the field, to help our readers make a realistic risk assessment. (Regular updates below)
“The only means to fight the plague is honesty.” Albert Camus, The Plague (1947)
Overview
According to data from the best-studied countries and regions, the lethality of Covid19 is on average about 0.2%, which is in the range of a severe influenza (flu) and about twenty times lower than originally assumed by the WHO.
Even in the global “hotspots”, the risk of death for the general population of school and working age is typically in the range of a daily car ride to work. The risk was initially overestimated because many people with only mild or no symptoms were not taken into account.
Up to 80% of all test-positive persons remain symptom-free. Even among 70-79 year olds, about 60% remain symptom-free. Over 95% of all persons show mild symptoms at most.
Up to one third of all persons already have a certain background immunity to Covid19 due to contact with previous coronaviruses (i.e. common cold viruses).
The median or average age of the deceased in most countries (including Italy) is over 80 years and only about 1% of the deceased had no serious preconditions. The age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality.
In most Western countries, 50 to 70% of all extra deaths occurred in nursing homes, which do not benefit from a general lockdown. Moreover, in many cases it is not clear whether these people really died from Covid19 or from extreme stress, fear and loneliness.
Up to 50% of all additional deaths may have been caused not by Covid19, but by the effects of the lockdown, panic and fear. For example, the treatment of heart attacks and strokes decreased by up to 60% because many patients no longer dared to go to hospital.
Even in so-called “Covid19 deaths” it is often not clear whether they died from or with coronavirus (i.e. from underlying diseases) or if they were counted as “presumed cases” and not tested at all. However, official figures usually do not reflect this distinction.
Many media reports of young and healthy people dying from Covid19 turned out to be false: many of these young people either did not die from Covid19, they had already been seriously ill (e.g. from undiagnosed leukaemia), or they were in fact 109 instead of 9 years old.
The normal overall mortality per day is about 8000 people in the US, about 2600 in Germany and about 1800 in Italy. Influenza mortality per season is up to 80,000 in the US and up to 25,000 in Germany and Italy. In several countries Covid19 deaths remained below strong flu seasons.
Regional increases in mortality may be influenced by additional risk factors such as high levels of air pollution and microbial contamination, as well as a collapse in the care for the elderly and sick due to infections, mass panic and lockdown. Special regulations for dealing with the deceased sometimes led to additional bottlenecks in funeral or cremation services.
In countries such as Italy and Spain, and to some extent the UK and the US, hospital overloads due to strong flu waves are not unusual. In addition, up to 15% of doctors and health workers were put into quarantine, even if they developed no symptoms.
The often shown exponential curves of “corona cases” are misleading, as the number of tests also increased exponentially. In most countries, the ratio of positive tests to tests overall (i.e. the positive rate) remained constant at 5% to 25% or increased only slightly. In many countries, the peak of the spread was already reached well before the lockdown.
Countries without curfews and contact bans, such as Japan, South Korea or Sweden, have not experienced a more negative course of events than other countries. Sweden was even praised by the WHO and now benefits from higher immunity compared to lockdown countries.
The fear of a shortage of ventilators was unjustified. According to lung specialists, the invasive ventilation (intubation) of Covid19 patients, which is partly done out of fear of spreading the virus, is in fact often counterproductive and damaging to the lungs.
Contrary to original assumptions, various studies have shown that there is no evidence of the virus spreading through aerosols (i.e. particles floating in the air) or through smear infections (e.g. on door handles, smartphones or at the hairdresser).
There is also no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of face masks in healthy or asymptomatic individuals. On the contrary, experts warn that such masks interfere with normal breathing and may become “germ carriers”. Leading doctors called them a “media hype” and “ridiculous”.
Many clinics in Europe and the US remained strongly underutilized or almost empty during the Covid19 peak and in some cases had to send staff home. Numerous operations and therapies were cancelled, including some organ transplants and cancer screenings.
Several media were caught trying to dramatize the situation in hospitals, sometimes even with manipulative images and videos. In general, the unprofessional reporting of many media maximized fear and panic in the population.
The virus test kits used internationally are prone to errors and can produce false positive and false negative results. Moreover, the official virus test was not clinically validated due to time pressure and may sometimes react to other coronaviruses.
Numerous internationally renowned experts in the fields of virology, immunology and epidemiology consider the measures taken to be counterproductive and recommend rapid natural immunisation of the general population and protection of risk groups. The risks for children are virtually zero and closing schools was never medically warranted.
Several medical experts described vaccines against coronaviruses as unnecessary or even dangerous. Indeed, the vaccine against the so-called swine flu of 2009, for example, led to sometimes severe neurological damage and lawsuits in the millions.
The number of people suffering from unemployment, psychological problems and domestic violence as a result of the measures has skyrocketed worldwide. Several experts believe that the measures may claim more lives than the virus itself. According to the UN millions of people around the world may fall into absolute poverty and famine.
NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden warned that the “corona crisis” will be used for the massive and permanent expansion of global surveillance. The renowned virologist Pablo Goldschmidt spoke of a “global media terror” and “totalitarian measures“. Leading British virologist professor John Oxford spoke of a “media epidemic”.
More than 500 scientists have warned against an “unprecedented surveillance of society” through problematic apps for “contact tracing”. In some countries, such “contact tracing” is already carried out directly by the secret service. In several parts of the world, the population is already being monitored by drones and facing serious police overreach.
See also:
Open Letter by Professor Sucharit Bhakdi
European Mortality Monitoring (EuroMomo)
On Corona, the Media, and Propaganda
Facts about Covid-19
Updated: May 6, 2020;
Languages: CZ, DE, EN, ES, FI, FR, GR, HBS, HE, HU, IT, JP, KO, NL, NO, PL, PT, RO, RU, SE, SI, SK, TR
Fully referenced facts about Covid-19, provided by experts in the field, to help our readers make a realistic risk assessment. (Regular updates below)
“The only means to fight the plague is honesty.” Albert Camus, The Plague (1947)
Overview
According to data from the best-studied countries and regions, the lethality of Covid19 is on average about 0.2%, which is in the range of a severe influenza (flu) and about twenty times lower than originally assumed by the WHO.
Even in the global “hotspots”, the risk of death for the general population of school and working age is typically in the range of a daily car ride to work. The risk was initially overestimated because many people with only mild or no symptoms were not taken into account.
Up to 80% of all test-positive persons remain symptom-free. Even among 70-79 year olds, about 60% remain symptom-free. Over 95% of all persons show mild symptoms at most.
Up to one third of all persons already have a certain background immunity to Covid19 due to contact with previous coronaviruses (i.e. common cold viruses).
The median or average age of the deceased in most countries (including Italy) is over 80 years and only about 1% of the deceased had no serious preconditions. The age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality.
In most Western countries, 50 to 70% of all extra deaths occurred in nursing homes, which do not benefit from a general lockdown. Moreover, in many cases it is not clear whether these people really died from Covid19 or from extreme stress, fear and loneliness.
Up to 50% of all additional deaths may have been caused not by Covid19, but by the effects of the lockdown, panic and fear. For example, the treatment of heart attacks and strokes decreased by up to 60% because many patients no longer dared to go to hospital.
Even in so-called “Covid19 deaths” it is often not clear whether they died from or with coronavirus (i.e. from underlying diseases) or if they were counted as “presumed cases” and not tested at all. However, official figures usually do not reflect this distinction.
Many media reports of young and healthy people dying from Covid19 turned out to be false: many of these young people either did not die from Covid19, they had already been seriously ill (e.g. from undiagnosed leukaemia), or they were in fact 109 instead of 9 years old.
The normal overall mortality per day is about 8000 people in the US, about 2600 in Germany and about 1800 in Italy. Influenza mortality per season is up to 80,000 in the US and up to 25,000 in Germany and Italy. In several countries Covid19 deaths remained below strong flu seasons.
Regional increases in mortality may be influenced by additional risk factors such as high levels of air pollution and microbial contamination, as well as a collapse in the care for the elderly and sick due to infections, mass panic and lockdown. Special regulations for dealing with the deceased sometimes led to additional bottlenecks in funeral or cremation services.
In countries such as Italy and Spain, and to some extent the UK and the US, hospital overloads due to strong flu waves are not unusual. In addition, up to 15% of doctors and health workers were put into quarantine, even if they developed no symptoms.
The often shown exponential curves of “corona cases” are misleading, as the number of tests also increased exponentially. In most countries, the ratio of positive tests to tests overall (i.e. the positive rate) remained constant at 5% to 25% or increased only slightly. In many countries, the peak of the spread was already reached well before the lockdown.
Countries without curfews and contact bans, such as Japan, South Korea or Sweden, have not experienced a more negative course of events than other countries. Sweden was even praised by the WHO and now benefits from higher immunity compared to lockdown countries.
The fear of a shortage of ventilators was unjustified. According to lung specialists, the invasive ventilation (intubation) of Covid19 patients, which is partly done out of fear of spreading the virus, is in fact often counterproductive and damaging to the lungs.
Contrary to original assumptions, various studies have shown that there is no evidence of the virus spreading through aerosols (i.e. particles floating in the air) or through smear infections (e.g. on door handles, smartphones or at the hairdresser).
There is also no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of face masks in healthy or asymptomatic individuals. On the contrary, experts warn that such masks interfere with normal breathing and may become “germ carriers”. Leading doctors called them a “media hype” and “ridiculous”.
Many clinics in Europe and the US remained strongly underutilized or almost empty during the Covid19 peak and in some cases had to send staff home. Numerous operations and therapies were cancelled, including some organ transplants and cancer screenings.
Several media were caught trying to dramatize the situation in hospitals, sometimes even with manipulative images and videos. In general, the unprofessional reporting of many media maximized fear and panic in the population.
The virus test kits used internationally are prone to errors and can produce false positive and false negative results. Moreover, the official virus test was not clinically validated due to time pressure and may sometimes react to other coronaviruses.
Numerous internationally renowned experts in the fields of virology, immunology and epidemiology consider the measures taken to be counterproductive and recommend rapid natural immunisation of the general population and protection of risk groups. The risks for children are virtually zero and closing schools was never medically warranted.
Several medical experts described vaccines against coronaviruses as unnecessary or even dangerous. Indeed, the vaccine against the so-called swine flu of 2009, for example, led to sometimes severe neurological damage and lawsuits in the millions.
The number of people suffering from unemployment, psychological problems and domestic violence as a result of the measures has skyrocketed worldwide. Several experts believe that the measures may claim more lives than the virus itself. According to the UN millions of people around the world may fall into absolute poverty and famine.
NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden warned that the “corona crisis” will be used for the massive and permanent expansion of global surveillance. The renowned virologist Pablo Goldschmidt spoke of a “global media terror” and “totalitarian measures“. Leading British virologist professor John Oxford spoke of a “media epidemic”.
More than 500 scientists have warned against an “unprecedented surveillance of society” through problematic apps for “contact tracing”. In some countries, such “contact tracing” is already carried out directly by the secret service. In several parts of the world, the population is already being monitored by drones and facing serious police overreach.
See also:
Open Letter by Professor Sucharit Bhakdi
European Mortality Monitoring (EuroMomo)
On Corona, the Media, and Propaganda
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Perhaps once they have more solid data on this, they may decide the whole immunity certificate thing is a bit more of a goer.
I think the conversation will shift much more to antibody testing/immunity etc in the coming 1-2 months.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
From the bbc website
German infections remain below 1,000
Germany has seen 798 new infections over the past 24 hours, authorities said on Wednesday. The daily death toll rose by 101 to 7,634. Both numbers are in line with the past days' statistics.
The overall number of confirmed infections now stands at more than 171,000, according to official data. Most people though have recovered already and there are only about 18,000 active cases.
The country has been easing lockdown measures, which had left observers worried that cases might go up again.
German infections remain below 1,000
Germany has seen 798 new infections over the past 24 hours, authorities said on Wednesday. The daily death toll rose by 101 to 7,634. Both numbers are in line with the past days' statistics.
The overall number of confirmed infections now stands at more than 171,000, according to official data. Most people though have recovered already and there are only about 18,000 active cases.
The country has been easing lockdown measures, which had left observers worried that cases might go up again.
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
- 2,553
Sorry, this is the good news thread, and I don't want to lead us off the path, as has happened too often.
But...this is all over the place. It contains some 'facts' which may or may not be true and many seem contrary to other sources (the reality as I understand being that it is still too early to be sure about many things like mortality rate, asymptomatic infections etc and thus the tendency to side with caution by most policy makers). It also seems to have strong hints of 'anti-vaccination' mixed in with some anti-surveillance stuff. Apart from the anti-vaccination stuff (which can f*ck right off) there are debates to be had in many of these areas, especially the impact of virus vs impact of lockdown and how far we are prepared to accept surveillance. But when someone presents these types of cherry picked studies, opinions, and views as 'fact' I am uncomfortable and I am not sure it does this thread credit.
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
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Now THIS. This is good news!
Its this bit that makes me sad...In most Western countries, 50 to 70% of all extra deaths occurred in nursing homes, which do not benefit from a general lockdown. Moreover, in many cases it is not clear whether these people really died from Covid19 or from extreme stress, fear and loneliness.
A close friend of mine who works in a care home has said that locking some of the old up in their rooms 24 /7 has made a few of them just "Give Up" the carers are having to make sure they drink and eat as some cant be bothered anymore. I mean you are 94 and watching the news about not being able to see family for two years and being kept a prisoner, I would give up.
A close friend of mine who works in a care home has said that locking some of the old up in their rooms 24 /7 has made a few of them just "Give Up" the carers are having to make sure they drink and eat as some cant be bothered anymore. I mean you are 94 and watching the news about not being able to see family for two years and being kept a prisoner, I would give up.
As I said, I have done no research...and doesn't every report cherry pick to suit their agenda ? I dont think it was anti vac, just dont rush one out without proper testing.
Daughter's ward discharged a guy (in his 70s) who'd been in ITU for 23 days before stepping down to the regular COVID ward to continue recovering
https://www.facebook.com/RichHowden/videos/10222542517456503/
https://www.facebook.com/RichHowden/videos/10222542517456503/
blue-shifted
Banned
I agree with you mate. It would be great if all that was true, but it flies in the face of a lot of other evidence we're seeing.
Round up from Reddit's r/Coronavirus subreddit;
- New Zealand - 4th day of no new infections
- Thailand - 1st day of no new infections
- Mauritius - Island of 1.2m people, deemed to have "fully recovered" from COVID-19, 2 months after first case
- Iceland - 5th day of no new infections